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Mon 06:13:49 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . A few online resources to help to see what edge play entails.

https://www.the-iron-gate.com/essays/author/Lady+Gwyneth+Rose

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/edge-play-bdsm-examples/

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/generalbdsm.htm#edgeplay

Mon 06:18:39 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Definition - What does Edgeplay mean?
Edgeplay refers to BDSM activities that are considered risky, or on the edge of what might be considered safe, sane, and consensual. The definition of edgeplay is subjective and can differ from scene to scene and from individual to individual, but it can refer to anything from breath play to knife play to barebacking. The definition of edgy can also change over time depending on the sensibilities of the time period.

Mon 06:48:52 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . *finding a seat and setting notebook and pen on my knee*

Mon 06:49:05 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Entering, seating Myself*

Mon 06:49:54 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding to M'Lord Zilla..*

Mon 06:54:05 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . ~slipping into the room~

Mon 06:56:10 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Good eve lady tiffany

Mon 06:56:24 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Hello Zilla.. *s*

Mon 06:57:18 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good evening, lady tiffany...*warm smile*

Mon 06:58:13 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Moves in with Tenrik a love for the topic.

Mon 06:58:34 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Comes in and takes a seat.*

Mon 06:59:10 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good evening, M'Lord Tenrik, Ms. Roseblood..*warm smiles*

Mon 07:00:07 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Good evening LadyGwynethRose. *WS*

Mon 07:00:37 PM EDT Apr 19 yellowbird . . . *settles in the dark to listen*

Mon 07:00:44 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *poofs into appearance on Zilla's lap*

Mon 07:01:10 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . *Steps into Timeout* Good evening My Dark Twin Sister.

Mon 07:01:14 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Good evening LadyGwynethRose...

Mon 07:01:25 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . LadyGwynethRose waits for your wisdom, a hello too tiffany and Zilla.

Mon 07:01:49 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . *Nods and smiles to T/those gathering about the room*

Mon 07:02:06 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good evening, My Dark Twin Brother, yellowbird, rebecca..*warm smiles..* SO...edge play...what does it mean to Y/you???

Mon 07:02:55 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . ~smiling and returning the greetings and turning to listen to the host~

Mon 07:03:21 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Defining edge Play can be quite complicated.

Mon 07:03:30 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Quitely nods an smiles to T/those here and entering.*

Mon 07:03:44 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . i think of breath play when i hear edge play...cuz it's a way of playing that though thrilling, it can result in serious bodily harm or death.

Mon 07:04:28 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . For myself ... the most edgy thing i've been into .. was chaining.... but when i really think of things that are more edgy then what i would participate in.. i think of body modifying activities...

Mon 07:04:34 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . It’s so specific to each partner’s interests, limits, and boundaries.

Mon 07:04:41 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding...* Breath Play is definitely one type of edge play...how about some of the other types? Fire play? Violet wands? What about blood or scat play? Do those have any place in edge play?

Mon 07:05:00 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . knifes of course but that's not a definition.

Mon 07:05:49 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . I would think that anything that was on the edge of safety or desire for Oone would constitute edge play

Mon 07:06:04 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Edge Play examples:
Breath play
Blood play
Water sports and scat
Consensual nonconsent
24/7 BDSM play
Total power exchange

Mon 07:06:21 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Breast binding... i've seen pictures that terrify me...

Mon 07:07:06 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . I even managed one of my few nos to Chantilly was on fire play. I love edge play but there are some things even I do not need to try.

Mon 07:07:06 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding thoughtfully again* The definition of edge play is something that is 'on the edge'...do Y/you feel that edge play can literally push a one over the edge?

Mon 07:07:44 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *enthusiastic nods hearing SZilla*

yah...it's like edge play is defined by the Ppeople in it...cuz...what is "edgy" risky to me might be seen as tame or droll to Aanother.

Mon 07:08:26 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . can edge play be mental and not physically dangerous?

Mon 07:08:29 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . It can be almost any thing depending on how it is used.

Mon 07:09:18 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Certainly it could.. that edge is a tricksy slippery place. Without practice, thought, care, or such, that edge could easily fall away beneath you

Mon 07:09:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I have not used violet wands, though ecstasy and I did light play with her tens unit. It was mutually decided that was a bit over the edge for u/us.

Mon 07:10:19 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Likes when rebecca and I post almost the samme thing.

Mon 07:10:38 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . chrissa, I think that some Mentally edgy play can be more dangerous than some physical edge play.

Mon 07:10:52 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . How can edge play be used effectively in a scene? There are many types of edge play...I Myself love hot wax, fire play and the occasional mind fuck which is fun..at least it is to Me..

Mon 07:11:05 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . right, what is the difference between “edge play” and simply...limits?

Mon 07:11:14 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . I am terrified of electricity.. rather.. I have a healthy respect for the stuff, but it will never be used on me or by me for purposes of play..

Mon 07:11:24 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . that fascinates me, Dark Traveler!

Mon 07:12:30 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Grins to chrissa* I do love a good mind fuck...but again, it has to be done carefully, otherwise it's just abusive..

Mon 07:12:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . chrissa, the mind is not a play thing that can be abused without price.

Mon 07:12:59 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . I've had violet wand used on me in rt, knives in rt. Likes Dark Travelers point on mental play.

Mon 07:13:04 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . what is the definition of a mind fuck, Lady Gwyneth Rose?

Mon 07:13:40 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . mental play is my biggest thing, so im just curious on that aspect. please forgive me if im side-tracking the conversation.

Mon 07:13:55 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Agrees with Dark Traveler.*

Mon 07:15:16 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *has done in rt a lot of what is considered edge play...including wax, fire, knives, electricity, breath and blood play*

*nods to Lady Rose*
yes the mind is not a place to tread lightly...that is only place i have experienced true injury.

Mon 07:15:24 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Not at all, chrissa..let's see here...okay I think I have mentioned this one before but...a good mind fuck is mental..when My wolf was living, I had him bound and blindfolded and he really didn't care for ass play much..but he was helpless...so I got out a speculum and did a little 'click click click' right by his ear...he didn't KNOW I wouldn't use it on his ass...but he couldn't do much about it at that moment..a mind fuck..

Mon 07:15:36 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Loves wax play.

Mon 07:16:22 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . *head tilts* so it’s a mix of fear play, Lady Gwyneth Rose? Does a mind fuck have to involve a fear and unknowing?

Mon 07:16:33 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . LadyGwynethRose. Perhaps You could offer the room several examples?

Mon 07:16:35 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . i could definitely see fear play being edgy

Mon 07:16:38 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Oh I love wax play...that soft, sibilant sound as it hits the submissive...yum...*Grinning again*

Mon 07:17:03 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . wax, knives, breath..

Mon 07:17:26 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *grins to Roseblood learning that She too loves wax play*

Mon 07:18:34 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . I can, My Dark Twin...like with wolf..another time, another mind fuck was a Dominant Who had His submissive bound down..and had inserted a vibrating egg inside of her..now...He had the control of the vibe and He would use it a little..then stop..a little...then stop...and He kept saying that He wouldn't allow her to come...no, no, she could NOT come..so there was that mental 'will He, won't He' and of course the physical aspect as well..

Mon 07:18:43 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . I was reading some info on wax play and was surprised to see someone say not to use Prayer candles... which ARE paraffin... and years ago there were plenty of sites saying USE Prayer candles...

Mon 07:19:06 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . rebecca one of my two favorite or 3 that I've seen in rt was wax just being thrown on a sub against the wall.

Mon 07:20:16 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Knives are literally the edge of edge play...just the drawing of a knife blade across quivering, yielding flesh..just the THOUGHT of it being used...

Mon 07:21:02 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . I crave knifes in any realm.

Mon 07:21:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . The scene was done safely during black rose.

Mon 07:21:50 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . I have always thought, lady tiffany, that newbies tend to use those scented candles or dark candles..VERY bad idea because those burn hotter as do beeswax candles...best ones I have found to use is those good old fashioned emergency white candles..at least to start with...when that wax is down, THEN I can use darker colors, more heat and more color...

Mon 07:22:52 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . And of course, a VERY bad idea to use hot wax on any area of the body that is hairy..not very sensual to hear a submissive yelling bloody murder as that wax is ripped off of the hairy parts of the body..*grins*

Mon 07:23:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . lol on Gwyneth Rose image.

Mon 07:23:57 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . *Thinking how painful the blisters are on nipples exposed to dripped candle wax where the person doing the dripping does not know what they are doing*

Mon 07:24:23 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . oooooh...Roseblood that sounds awesome!

i have wax poured one me from little glass pitchers...the wax is made for body play...low temperature burn.

One of my favorite scenes...the wax was poured in layers...til i was cocooned...then i was cut free with a knife...a butterfly emerged new and beautiful...the wax play was cathartic.

That was edge play (wax and knife play)...but it was poetry

Mon 07:24:44 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . i saw an image where someone held one of those emergency white candles... and the wax had melted down and covered the hand holding it.. was really cool image. Made me wonder how hot it felt as it just dripped right down the candle.. to the hand.. was that a reality?.. or something somehow faked for a really cool image...

Mon 07:24:50 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . There are definite places where hot wax should or should not be used.. though knives can also be used to remove the wax once it has firmed up some..

Mon 07:25:41 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . That sounds delicious, rebecca...yes indeed and My Dark Twin Brother, I agree...urggh...again, hearing the submissive screaming in pain when they didn't expect THAT kind of pain can be sort of a downer...

Mon 07:26:35 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . So, what types of edge play have Y/you A/all done? Do Y/you have a favorite???

Mon 07:26:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . rebecca the wax was in something similar to a crock pot and the doom was using a ladle. Was very creative.

Mon 07:26:57 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Listens closely.*

Mon 07:28:14 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Chaining... ~soft laugh~ .. hands down....

Mon 07:28:14 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . i adore breath play. *said softly* it's very dangerous. so i don't engage in it often...and when i do...it's only with my very most trusted Primary Partner.

Mon 07:29:30 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . I am most skilled in knives and breath, and both have their share of risks and dangers.. and as such, should only be done when all parties involved are aware and willing

Mon 07:29:51 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . there is something about knowing how dangerous the edge play i like is...it adds to the attraction.knowing that i could really get hurt...but trusting my Partner...literally putting my life in Their hands. it's...yeah. *puddles*

Mon 07:30:12 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding at the answers* Do Y/you think that as W/we move into edge play that W/we move away from SSC and more into RACK???

Mon 07:31:20 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . ooooh good question Lady Rose...i would say yes...edge play is way more RACK vs. SSC. knowingly involving oneself in risky kink.

Mon 07:33:00 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Interesting Gwyneth. I do feel it does lead into that area.

Mon 07:33:04 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . what is chaining, lady tiffany?

Mon 07:33:14 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Urethral sounding is another one... have not seen mention of that in years around here... always thought that was a bit out there...

Mon 07:33:56 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . oh yah...cbt...it's extreme...is it edge play though?

Mon 07:34:02 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Risk Aware Consensual Kink. *smiles Darkly*

Mon 07:34:19 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Nope. No sounding. Not for me..

Mon 07:34:28 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Well put Dark Traveler.

Mon 07:35:01 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Looks to Zilla* Not for Me either!

Mon 07:36:03 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Breath Play kills... and it kills quickly.

Mon 07:36:39 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . rebecca... it is the inserting of a large link.... chain.. stainless steel .. slowly into the vagina... it has to be boiled prior.. and allowed to cool .. so that it is clean... lubed and very slowly inserted into the vagina till full.... and then clitoral stimulation... brought to orgasm.. and then as you are in orgasm... it is pulled out... as you are cumming...

Mon 07:36:40 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . bats puppy dog lashes to Tenrik, no? Pretend pouty lip. Wouldn't do sounds on you anyhow quickly adds.

Mon 07:37:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Risk-aware consensual kink (RACK) is a philosophy governing BDSM activities and behaviors. Risk-aware means that all the participants know the risks involved in the activity (BDSM activities are not always risk-free). Consensual means that all the participants have freely consented to the activity, and that no one has been coerced. Kink refers to alternative sexual activities.

Mon 07:37:47 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . oh mai, lady tiffany! *fanning my face* you may have just given me ideas to discuss! *pretty blush*

Mon 07:37:47 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Listens to tiffany.

Mon 07:37:55 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . You have to be careful when you are pushing it in.. because it can pinch... there is a process... not something to just do without really looking into it...

Mon 07:38:17 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Okay, let's think about this...Y/you and Y/your submissive have agreed to do some edge play and something goes tits up..how do Y/you react?? What, as a Dominant, should You do for Your submissive and submissives, how can you help to protect yourself as well?

Mon 07:38:19 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Smiles to Roseblood and Her puppy dog pouts.* In a word, No!

Mon 07:38:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Back to serious catching up on posts.*

Mon 07:39:41 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Dark eyes shimmer in respect at his no and listens to all.

Mon 07:40:07 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . breath play can also cause a host of very bad things that are not death.. care must be used at all times.. as there is only the slightest difference between denying air vs denying blood flow.

Mon 07:40:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . .
know the laws where you play and each others health.

Mon 07:42:24 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *listening to Lady Rose*

safe words...or signals...i have them established with my Partner so i can communicate when is something is going awry.

also...i have lots of talks with my Partner and discern that They have the skills and tools on hand to deal with an emergency en scene.

also before i ever engage in play with Anyone...i watch Them in play with others...i talk to Them...Wwe get to know Eeach Oother before Wwe play. cuz yah...i need to trust my Partner to let go and enjoy a scene...and i can't do that if i don't know Them.

Mon 07:43:22 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *eyes to Zilla*

bloodflow play looks like breath play...and it is just as dangerous...but for different reasons.

Mon 07:43:50 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . No restriction of mouth or hands, so that voice or physical action can always be maintained..

Mon 07:43:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Despite your best intentions, there might be a scene in which someone gets hurt. Even though the Master or Mistress might be doing all they can to make sure this doesn’t happen, sometimes things go wrong and a sex toy is used too vigorously or it does something unexpected. When this occurs, the key is to stop what’s happening as quickly as possible. The person who is hurt needs to speak up about being hurt and then take care of their injury.

Mon 07:44:06 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . they are both silly dangerous

Mon 07:45:28 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Do You as Dominants think You should have at least a little first aid knowledge under Your belts if You engage in edge play??

Mon 07:46:08 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Often, the injury will not be serious, but it can be damaging if the scene isn’t stopped when it needs to stop. In the case where the skin has been broken or something is damaged more extensively, it’s vital that medical treatment be sought so that the person’s injuries can be addressed. For most incidents, simply cleaning the wound and dressing it will help. And then you need to avoid any strong play for a while until the wound is healed.

Mon 07:46:13 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Dark Traveler which in sub space is why I only play with long term partners. I want to be hurt and oftenn can't say stop or a safe word,

Mon 07:46:35 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding as I hear the answers*

Mon 07:46:42 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . good thing Wwe can safely play bloodflow/breathplay games here in vt to Oour heart's content. *wink and grinning up at Him* which is an interesting point...huh? that Wwe Aall can go edge play crazy in vt in ways that aren't really safe and sane in rt.

Mon 07:46:59 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Very much so Gwyneth. It can be a good safety tool in case time is needed til help arrives.

Mon 07:47:24 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Any dom playing with me when I had my own place had easy access to first aid box etc...

Mon 07:47:41 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . E/everyone involved in edge play needs a good practical course in First Aid.

Mon 07:47:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Absolutely. First Aid, and beyond just the basic stuff, is 100% requisite.

Mon 07:48:24 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . my rt Partners must have first aid training.

Mon 07:49:02 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Roseblood brings up one of the hidden problems associated with edge play. The sub that won't use their safe word.

Mon 07:49:17 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . *settles in quietly*

Mon 07:49:26 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Also know each other meds..

Mon 07:50:15 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . I just couldn't. It took me a few years because I wanted hurt.

Mon 07:50:18 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . *Smiles as I see the wolf pup step into Timeout*

Mon 07:50:29 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . not only meds but also the important medical history..

Mon 07:51:09 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *nods to Roseblood*

i am the same way...i get so into subspace i forget words...but my Partners know me well enough to be able to read my body and i do communicate with gestures when i need too...just i forget English. *soft laugh*

Mon 07:51:46 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Now I am tons smarter, at my start of play I screwed up a lot for myself.

Mon 07:52:08 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I agree Roseblood. I never ever dare edgeplay with anyone I do not know or in for long term. I do need to know them very well and any visible signs that enough is enough. Though I do like having safe words in place and very much used when possible.

Mon 07:52:13 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Listening..* Okay, there's a point...Dominants have got..repeat got..to be on top of Their game in edge play and know Their submissives if the submissive can't or won't speak out for themselves and particularly in edge play..what can We as Dominants do to ensure that this won't happen?

Mon 07:53:41 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Listens to Tenrik and others.

Mon 07:54:21 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . Constantly checking in? Touch points?

Mon 07:55:30 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Know your limits and limitations. If you do not 100% understand the thing, do not engage in the thing. Also, if the submissive cannot or will not speak the safe word, it is crucial that the Dominant stop or slow play to check on the submissive verbally..

Mon 07:56:02 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *listens*

Mon 07:56:30 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Also even if I am not interested in a certain aspect I do feel it good to be abreast of it and what it may entail.

Mon 07:57:00 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Now I also say if we can't talk about it as partners we definately shouldn't be doing it.

Mon 07:57:51 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *nods enthusiastically hearing Roseblood*

Mon 07:58:42 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I would say, maybe safely done practice sessions without the totally edging aspects first. Say, a dry run through in order to find possible risk moments.

Mon 07:59:20 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I so very much agree Roseblood.

Mon 07:59:32 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Likes that idea a lot Tenrik.

Mon 08:00:09 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . Have but don't depend upon a safe word. Don't specify a safeword. Agree that any request to help or halt is the signal to stop:
No. Wait. Help. Stop. Hold on. Let me go. Cut it out. I can't take this.
Even an unusual or unexpected response to pain can be a signal, e.g. crying out "Ow!" after a period of moaning.

Mon 08:00:56 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Listening..*

Mon 08:01:58 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . what about the opposite of a safe word... like a regular word or action that acts as assurance of maintaining a good place?

Mon 08:02:02 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Dark Travler to your point I don't often swear. I letd doms know that is kind of my natural soft yellow.

Mon 08:02:20 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . mmmmm...*hearing Dark Traveler*...i hate to disagree with You...but the way i play..."no" is not a safe word...because i like to say know...it's my kink to fight...which is why gestures and safe words are the only way out...but my Partner and i talk about that and agree to it.

Mon 08:02:30 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *say no

Mon 08:03:32 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding to My Dark Twin* And noticing that the submissive, even if he/she isn't actually saying anything appears to be in distress..sometimes non-verbal communication is as powerful as saying the words.

Mon 08:04:28 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I agree Dark Traveler. And with long term partners The Dominant should notice the differnt nuances that can signal true help needed in voice tone and body language.

Mon 08:05:09 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . rebecca.... the kind of 'No' I'm talking about is 'unmistakable' when used to get the Harry Beast off of you.

Mon 08:06:11 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *nodding hearing Dark Traveler*

Mon 08:06:39 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . *Looking around the room* Do any of Y/you have a specific question Y/you would like to ask this evenings Hostess?

Mon 08:07:50 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . It isn't often that W/we get the attention of the LadyGwynethRose so readily available to U/us in this kind of froum.

Mon 08:08:34 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding again to My Dark Twin* I think it is winding down...does A/anyone have anything else to add? I would personally like to thank A/all for coming to TimeOut tonight..as always, I am enlightened by O/other's V/viewpoints..*Warm smiles*

Mon 08:10:23 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I wish to thank You for the great link LadyGwynethRose. I ended up spending over an hour there.

Mon 08:10:30 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Thank you so much for hosting LadyGwynethRose.. *s*

Mon 08:10:33 PM EDT Apr 19 Roseblood . . . Thank you much for the time Lady Rose.

Mon 08:10:40 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *big warm smile to Lady Rose*

thank You so much for leading this TimeOut!

Mon 08:10:44 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . I would like to thank You My LadyGwynethRose for Your attendance and guidance this evening.

Mon 08:11:05 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . Thank you LadyGwynethRose for your hosting of this topic

Mon 08:11:30 PM EDT Apr 19 -chrissa- . . . thank You, Lady Gwyneth Rose!

Mon 08:11:37 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . i didnt get a response on my question/suggestion

Mon 08:11:42 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Thank Y/you A/all for your kind words..*More warm smiles* I hope to Hostess another TimeOut soon...

Mon 08:11:48 PM EDT Apr 19 Dark Traveler . . . And I would like to thank E/everyone for their active participation.

Mon 08:11:50 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . I can't think o0f a question at this moment. I do look forward to more TimeOut topics You can offer to U/us.

Mon 08:12:11 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Forgive Me, wolf pup...could you please repeat your question?

Mon 08:13:54 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Thank You as well Dark Travler for bringing back TimeOut.

Mon 08:14:26 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . *smiles soft* no need for apologies, it was a little busy

i asked about the use of a sort of reverse safeword, like a go phrase to continue and establish one is in a good place, stated after a certain interval... i imagine it would also help keep one focused and show when one becomes unfocused

Mon 08:15:43 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . A reverse safe word can be very useful.

Mon 08:16:08 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . That is actually a good idea, wolf pup..a reverse word would work but only if the submissive wasn't so far into head space that he/she couldn't use any words...*soft chuckle* I have seen submissives in that head space before..

Mon 08:17:57 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . ooooh! i know just what You are talking about, pup....Zilla uses that on me...example: He will start a subtle steady tapping on my hand...and then keep that tapping going as the spine of darker much more dreadful and twisty activities...keeping my balance with the tapping...a focal point...as the world spins. *grin* i love it.

Mon 08:18:08 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . *Agrees with Zilla.* I'm sorry I also missed your question wolf pup. That is a very good thought, one hat helps scenes go smother so to speak.

Mon 08:18:09 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . i can understand that

Mon 08:19:06 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . I am glad you enjoy that, tiger.. *grinning*

Mon 08:19:22 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . it's not a safe word...but an action...but it works as a steadying point. a reinforcement of safety. dunno if that makes sense?

Mon 08:19:39 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *grinning up at Him*

Mon 08:20:18 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . that was sort of my thinking, rebecca *smiles soft*

Mon 08:21:02 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . *warm smiles to rebecca and wolf pup..* those are excellent suggestions...the Dominant, like M'Lord Zilla, uses actions to keep that focus...

Mon 08:22:27 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . does a lack of a desire for edgeplay come across a a lacking in a submissive?

Mon 08:23:16 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Not to Me, wolf pup...if there is a lack of desire for that type of play, that is just he submissive's style...edge play isn't for E/everyone...

Mon 08:23:31 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . yah...it keeps a submissive in a good head space so they are receptive and also...comforted en scene. could be useful in edge play, i think. *hushing up*

Mon 08:23:36 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . the submissive's, not he submissive's...sheesh..

Mon 08:24:04 PM EDT Apr 19 Zilla . . . I do not think so, pup, we all like different things and all engage in different ways. Edge play always exists, but just because it exists does not mean you need to engage in it

Mon 08:24:05 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Not to Me pup, as may not be for everyone. Its not whats lacking as what is there to work with.

Mon 08:25:35 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . that would be like me wondering if i wasn't submissive enough because i am a masochist and i do not enjoy service only. *soft smile to pup*

Mon 08:25:46 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . but does having it make one more desirable, or it more ephemeral then that

Mon 08:26:12 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . ah... that perspective helps, rebecca

Mon 08:26:12 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Exactly, M'Lords Zilla and Tenrik...it isn't for A/all..and that's all right..

Mon 08:26:37 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . Well E/everyone it has been a great evening, But I must take My leave and attentions elsewhere now.*Grins.* Take care and stay safe.*WS*

Mon 08:27:05 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Again, wolf pup, not to Me...each submissive to Me has a different..flavor???? and while I may want chocolate one day and vanilla the next, that doesn't mean I don't like chocolate or vanilla...just different flavors..

Mon 08:27:20 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . Be well, M'Lord Tenrik...safe journeys...*Warm smiles*

Mon 08:27:32 PM EDT Apr 19 rebecca . . . *smiling big warm to the wolf pup*

the world is big enough for all of Uus.

Mon 08:28:08 PM EDT Apr 19 Tenrik . . . LadyGwynethRose, Thank You and very safe journeys in return.*WS*

Mon 08:28:38 PM EDT Apr 19 the wolf pup . . . thank You A/all for the feedback *bows and smiles*

Mon 08:29:22 PM EDT Apr 19 LadyGwynethRose . . . And now I shall take My leave as well...be well, E/everyone and again thank Y/you for attending...*Warmest of smiles and departing*

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