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“TimeOut is a Safe place where dominants and submissives(both m&f) can discuss ‘VT’ and ‘RT’ D/s topics.”
Mon 09:13:07 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . .
~~ there will be a monitor around should one be needed.... but I don't foresee any issues.. :)
Mon 09:13:10 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Walking through the door and taking a seat, settling bck to wait.
Mon 09:13:45 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Looking over.
"Should be a cordial evening heather to my thinking."
Mon 09:28:31 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *here*
*reading over the topic posted last week*
Mon 09:36:07 PM EDT Apr 25 chally . . . ~slips in and silently reads back~
Mon 09:37:10 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . . Looking over, having given preparation time to the hostess.
"And have you a topic for us to ponder a short time over before opening the floor tzigane?"
Mon 09:39:48 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~listens in~
Mon 09:40:09 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . .
Mon 09:42:48 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *warm smile*
hello Absolem.
i do have a topic to present this week. however, before i do so. would You care to have the topic You posted last week discussed...it was a solid topic and i wanted to make sure to give Ppeople a chance to respond to it if Tthey felt so inclined.
Mon 09:43:47 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *finds my way in... skipping on over and sitting by the princess, smiling to everyone..* evening... *catching up quick*
Mon 09:44:52 PM EDT Apr 25 chally . . . ~nods to A/all, but meets no eyes~
Mon 09:45:22 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *grin to ellabella*
Mon 09:46:33 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Shaking My head.
"Not in the least darlin, that perhaps for another night, it wasn't a topic in the room, simply my passing the time in thought for the future. Tonight is for you and ella to touch waters with toes in this matter of hostess to a discussion."
Mon 09:48:43 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . . ~*returns with'a smile round t'all...curling down for'a listen next'a Snook*~~~~ buffin'er badge in case any baddies happen in.....~*~~
Mon 09:49:56 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . the topic posted last week can be found by scrolling back. it was in reference to "punishment" and a question as to forms it may take and the effectiveness of those forms. more or less. tonight's discussion is scheduled to kick off at 10pm...at 10 pm the topic on the floor will be.....
Is it really D/s if it it is online only?
please take a few moments to reflect on Yyour ideas...feel free to post on last week's topic if you care too...at 10 pm ella and i will be prepared to discuss this week's topic.
Mon 09:50:30 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~chuckles at the badge buffing~
Mon 09:52:22 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiles at the badge buffing.. and then kind of proudly at the princess' opening of the topic... settling in and waiting for the clock arm to make it's last stretch..*
Mon 10:00:32 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . . Taking a sip and listening.
Mon 10:02:24 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *grins at the clock ticks over... looking to the princess...* care to set the mood?
Mon 10:03:39 PM EDT Apr 25 chally . . . ~brings my attention to the room~
Mon 10:03:46 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . ok. welcome Alexandra, Absolem, chally. heather thank you for being being present and available as a Monitor. *warm smile*
as stated before this week's topic is an exploration in the idea as to whether or not a relationship can be considered D/s if it transpires in on-line format.
i think Eeveryone present has Ttheir Own clear ideas of what makes a relationship D/s in nature.
but i still think it is an interesting idea to start the discussion by Ppeople offering first Ttheir individual definitions of what makes a relationship D/s.
Aanyone care to offer Ttheir definition?
Mon 10:06:48 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . and just as a reminder...this discussion is open to Aall regardless of Ttheir backgrounds, experiences, opinions. it is a respectful exchange of ideas and ella and ask that Aall keep an open mind and follow the same rules of discussion as are followed in the Dungeon. thank Yyou.
Mon 10:08:12 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *looks in*
Mon 10:08:14 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Ds is an emotional link, more so than any of the physical, it would beg to reason that such would be actually easier on many levels to explore in the v/t, so long as trust and honesty was the core.
Mon 10:10:32 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . for me D/s is a kind of comfort... i feel safest when control is handed over... even when i'm finding pleasure in feeling unsafe.. frightful... all that stuff... D/s means trust and balance and raw emotion and action.. so my definition of it is a dynamic where One very clearly steers and moulds all that.. while the other acts as a muse for it... oh and my definition sticks whether it's in respect to r/t or v/t.. *nods..*
Mon 10:11:06 PM EDT Apr 25 chally . . . ~doesn't feel right being here, rises and slips out quietly~
Mon 10:12:04 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . ...and one more little reminder... this is so new for us.. to us... but it's our responsibility collectively if we want to make these discussions work... and we... *looking to the princess...* really, really do want to... *smiles and gets to listening..*
Mon 10:12:48 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *lil smile seeing silknight arrive*
welcome, silknight.
*listening to Absolem*
i think Your definition of what constitutes a relationship as D/s is a very sound place to start the discussion. the interesting elment in what You shared, Absolem is the emphasis on honesty and trust.
and that begs the question...how do you establish such in an online format where it can be so easy to not be honest.
what i mean is...you can say you are male and you have "x" numbers of years in the lifestyle....and that you also keep a pet cougar...but how does one really know that all of what you say is the truth?
Mon 10:13:55 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
"your doing fine, bring up talking points on what you see as Ds in v/t can be and can't be so well. "
Mon 10:15:26 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *sending well wishes after chally*
*listening to ellabella's response*
and ellabella how have you come to trust that the One that molds you primarily through an on-line interaction?
Mon 10:15:35 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Mon 10:17:09 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . I won't offer a "definition", but I certainly have an opinion to offer. ~chuckle~
While I agree with Absolem that D/s has a deeply emotional thread, it believe it to be a more holistic type of relationship. It truly encompasses everything, with the core being, one leads, the other follows. There are many, many facets to that in how such a relationship lives.
And while I will say a purely online relationship can certainly be D/s, I don't think it can encompass all the things an rt one can.
Mon 10:17:30 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . well... to give my opinion on the original question before all the subsequent ones so far:
As almost the entirety of my D/s experience has been vt, i definately believe at least that it can be and is still very real. i know its real based on simply how emotionally invested we so are obviously are. Just looking even at recent... upheavels, arguments, and judgements. Such wouldnt be so controversial or an argument at all if it wasnt something that meant so much to those involved.
Mon 10:19:02 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *lil grin hearing Alexandra's response*
so in what elements of D/s cannot translate into vt, in Your opinion, Alexandra?
Mon 10:19:46 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
The r/t and v/t elements of Ds are very much about trust, how can you trust someone r/t ? you take the time to learn and get to know them. There used to be such a crap line about v/t time being so much faster and quicker paced, that things just happen and were supposed to happen at a pace that r/t simply would balk at.
I thought it false than and now, as it was defeating the time it takes to really trust someone and know them. Online it should and does take longer to learn someone and if they are real.
And as Reagan said, trust but verify. Online that means taking enough time to see if their stories wash otu or stand time."
Mon 10:19:58 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *slinking in, reading back on the topic and what has been shared thus far*
Mon 10:21:26 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *listening to silknight*
so in your opinion, silknight, do you think that what you seek in a D/s relationship can be answered by completely by vt only interaction?
Mon 10:24:14 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *about the building of trust..* i'm going to be completely honest here in the hope that it will be good for the discussion.. *shy little grin before continuing..* i learned to trust Daddy after a long while of evolving interaction... after getting to know Him, i was fairly forward... clear... i still remember pleading with Him to let me be closer.. but He didn't. not to you with me, but because He wasn't done getting to know me and He wasn't done revealing enough about Himself.. it was respect that turned into trust for me.. *nodding.. listening to the others...*
Mon 10:24:30 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . welcome aisiesis...good to see you...feel free to jump on in. *warm smile*
*tuning into Absolem's response*
so if i understand You correctly, Absolem...your approach to is one like "innocent until proven otherwise" *lil grin* meaning...you chose to trust that what one shares of themself in vt is the truth until after time has proven otherwise...if it does at all?
Mon 10:25:31 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *tumbling on from those thoughts...* not only is it easy to be dishonest in such a format... but i imagine for some people.. those using places like this merely as an escape from realities... dishonesty is a central part of their exchanges... so is a certain amount of faith a prerequisite for entering an online D/s relationship? or are most people inclined to know everything before committing at any level? *looking curiously..* is there anyone that doesn't mind the idea of dishonesty so long as a purpose is fulfilled for them personally...?
Mon 10:25:42 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *her voice soft*
to me, D/s can be and is very real in vt... If one doesn't rush into the velcro collars or allow themselves to simply become a cyber booty call, but instead takes the time to learn about people... observe them... talk to them both about D/s related topics as well as non-theme topics... each new observation and every new piece of information they share with you helps guide whether you grow to trust them or not... influences whether their energy calls to your own.... without being willing to take the time to learn more about someone, you can never really trust them.
And frankly, there are a rare few who can commit completely and totally to a mask that their web of lies and falsehoods do not eventually catch up to them and cause them to trip up and reveal themselves.
Mon 10:26:40 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . . Nothing can replace looking into the eyes of the person who -owns- you...in real time.. not photos..not video..not great description....
You can certainly go very deep in v/t.... if you let go and allow it..and it can be heady and wild and wonderful.......but you cannot replace that look...the physical pull of your body to theirs... the weight of their body...the taste of their skin..sweat..blood... the real violet and blue marks that spread over your skin...the animal sound of them in crescendo right against your ear..etc.......on and on...
but of course D/s in v/t only can be very..very real......it pacifies an ache for those who cannot seek it r/t for whatever reason..it allows people to explore...and there is so much that the sincere person can learn..
Mon 10:27:21 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . *Enters..*
You can never fully trust someone, so it takes some guts to give it away up front. But then again, if it is breached, then its really on them, at least the first time. *nods*
If you let yourself fool time after time by the same person, then I wonder if you really like it, after all. *s*
Mon 10:28:25 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *considers* i think... that is a very difficult question... i don't know. completely? perhaps not, not completely, i think it can be wonderful and special and certainly meet much of my needs and wants... but i dont think that any relationship is perfect and answers anything completely... not without an incredible amount of time, effort, care, and sacrifice from both parties involved, and thats even when they are vanilla rt relationships
Mon 10:28:36 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
I can't imagine having a Ds dynamic in which I didn't give a level of trust and work to earn as much in return. Going in untrusting of another is a hard road, and often it is a trap within itself.
Going in trusting and not in any hurry is far easier and relaxed. much as ella just confided. What is the hurry? Taking the real time to learn another is what truly builds a base to grow off of.
Mon 10:28:37 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiles at sweet aisie's words... hearing truth in them...* time... seems to be the vital ingredient that everyone agrees is necessary for trust...
*then gets a bit distracted with heather's descriptions.... nodding....*
Mon 10:28:48 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . oh good point, ellabella! for some perhaps the fantasy of D/s interaction is all they require. so the masks, the impossibilities, the fanciful falsehoods might actually feed their needs. and does that make it not D/s if the basis of interactions between Ttwo in here are all about the fantasy?
Mon 10:29:06 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Actually, I think things do tend to happen faster online. Without the physical aspects "in the way", so to speak, plus the relative sense of "freedom" the level on anonymity gives, however "false" it may be... people "trust" more easily, they become emotionally attached more easily, online.
This from both my own experience and that of others I have observed, friends and from afar.
The physical world is "slower" for the very reason of its innate gravity.
It's much easier to "verify" things when you can look someone in the eye, hear vocal inflections and see body language. There are some slick word operators online. ~chuckles~ None of us can deny that. And those who "feed a line" online would probably be immediately caught out if they were face to face with the "real thing" so to speak.
Mon 10:29:36 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . (general you)
Mon 10:29:53 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . . ~hearing ella's question~ having been completely bamboozled by someone pretending to be something they aren't and never could be........I'd say for me..personally..dishonesty is not something I could be okay with ..as long as I got what I wanted..because I wouldn't be getting 'real'......I'd be getting make believe......and I grew out of that a long time ago.....
now..if someone is perpetuating a fake persona..and they're honest..to the person they're playing with and that other person is cool with it........have at it..if it gives the two what they need....awesome......
Mon 10:30:17 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~takes a moment to catch up before answering tzigane~
Mon 10:31:18 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . . agreed..~noddin' t'Alex~
Mon 10:31:20 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *warm smile to aisiesis hearing her wise words*
*lil nod of greeting to Mr. Man...taking in His response*
*listening in turn to heather's words...soft lil smile at the pictures her words paint of how an rt exchange feels*
Mon 10:31:54 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Agrees with Alexandra, about stuff going slower, and under larger scrutinity in RT.
Mon 10:32:40 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *smiles as she listens to heather, lil nod*
Exactly, online D/s can only go so far... there are physical aspects that simply cannot be felt in vt without some type of understanding of how they feel in rt.
Mon 10:33:25 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i'll grant that fact, aisie
Mon 10:34:09 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . that's a good question..... is candy apple a fruit laced in sugar or does it not matter that there's an apple inside, it's just a sugary sweet treat? i think the lies people are capable of telling are dependant on the lies people are capable of believing and justifying... yes there are many instances where people are left looking and feeling foolish for being 'played'... but... i don't think any of us can deny liking that romantic vision of vt... i say if the D/s foundation is there, and the impact is real... then it's real... a "real effect" though, doesn't make the dynamic genuine or even good.. *thinks that's a lot of jumbled thoughts all together but what the hell..*
Mon 10:35:35 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . it seems to me that a common theme being expressed is that trust is something earned and intrinsic to any D/s relationship whether vt or rt....that it is a good idea to take at face value what one shares vt initially...but to allow time and actions to play out to see if one is truly as they present themself to be.
Mon 10:35:56 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . . Settling back and listening, watching the flow to consider the TO aspect of the discussion.
Mon 10:37:13 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *hearing heather..* i agree... we're all adults.. *smiles..* kind of.. but no, yes we are. and as long as there is honest communication, then it's really no one else's business. deception is an ugly thing both to be a victim of and to be accused of.
Mon 10:38:30 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *casting an eye to Absolem* so there's a question...what is different about having this discussion in TO versus having it in the Dungeon to your understanding, Absolem?
Mon 10:38:37 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I think you can earn respect tzigane, not trust, because you'll only get as much trust give really. So, the approach to trust, at least the one that works for Me, is to give it, but not being blind of course. Because, what is the point if you feel you can't give trust?
Mon 10:40:09 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *blinks* you dont think trust can be earned, MrMan?
Mon 10:41:33 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~sees things have shifted to trust but answers the question still~
Actually, heather covered most of that answer in her post. ~grins gratefully for some typing saved~
But I'll also tell what the differences were for me, in addition to those things, having had the experience of both.
There are the quiet moments... the wordless moments... a look without having to type "looks"... a certain kind of smile without having to describe it... a touch... a sound...
There is something about typing out everything... every last detail, that becomes a veil between what we can imagine and what we can actually experience.
~not sure if that is worded right, but the best I can do for now~
After my first D/s experience in rt... an almost 5-year relationship... I couldn't do vt at all, even after I came back to it. It's still difficult for me to do certain things in vt, because so much of it for me now, is wordless.
Mon 10:42:17 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *slipping in* my first interaction in the "lifestyle" was vt.
The trust is hard to build but I was told to require "references" before getting into a contract with someone I had only met vt
Mon 10:42:42 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
TO is a neutral ground, there shouldn't be huge hi/bye posts, here shouldn't be dynamics going on between couples or others, it is about the discussion. No scenes, no other elements of interference.
As well it should be encouraged that the views offered in here are not going to be held over someone in the community room or setting, they should feel they can speak up and say what they wish about a topic.
Mon 10:42:53 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *listening to MrMan... thinking... looking to everyone..* does everyone feel the same way about trust in casual scening as they do in an established dynamic? would you scene with someone you couldn't possibly know well enough to trust? and i don't mean trust physically, to respect your limits etc.. i mean trust as a person?
Mon 10:43:06 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i dont think anyone is saying that vt will ever be superior or even equivelent to vt... but that doesnt determine whether or not its real
Mon 10:43:40 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Of course it can be earned silknight, that comes with the knowledge of the person, maybe I put it too bluntly. There has to be some initial trust to begin with, the scope of that trust may be widened and broadened as a relationship evolves. But that initial trust, should be there when something starts, even if it is just a trust that encompasses the basics, like you trust the other person not to lie to you and be sincere in Hher/Hhis dealings with you.
Mon 10:44:27 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . I don't think anyone has said, or suggested it can't be ~real~ in vt, silknight. Just that it can't go the same places.
Mon 10:44:44 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *lil grin to silkieboy*
*nips her lip as she listens*
MrMan, i believe that both respect and trust can be earned and not just given.... i don't trust just anybody willy-nilly. It has to be earned through discussions and interactions. Is it perhaps easier to trust some over others? Of course it is, but that doesn't mean the trust is simply given, blindly or not. Respect also has to be earned over time. There is an initial amount of respect that is given to all just out of courtesy; however, that respect is built upon or taken away from based on interactions and conversations, as well as through observations.
Mon 10:44:58 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *listening to Alexandra*
yes the conversation has shifed some to the topic of trust vs the original topic as to whether or not D/s is really D/s if it is on-line...but i think that is natural...and expected in conversations.
that said...i totally understand what You are saying, Alexandra...the moments between the words and actions of a relationship are the most profound. and that is something very difficult to communicate in vt.
Mon 10:45:44 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiling at Alexandra's words on coming to vt after a long rt setting...* that's kind of beautiful.. in a sad way..
Mon 10:46:08 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . *smiles seeing one enter*
Well, little ella, my reply was in a D/s context, I don't have to trust a person much, when I meet a bottom for a one-off scene, but if I don't then trust the person to play along the book as she (in my case should), then I don't play.
Mon 10:46:12 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . thats fair, Alexandra
Mon 10:46:28 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . As someone who started training only vt and then moved to rt I feel there is a great deal to be learned from vt. There are some things that vt offers that rt doesn't
Mon 10:47:26 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Well aisie lynn, then that trust is established up front when a relationship is built, but it needs to be there when the relationship is a fact.
Mon 10:47:38 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Of course it is real silknight, people wouldn't feel pain or pleasure emotionally if it wasn't. The depth of it is the counter point, as Alexandra spoke of, there is something entirely outside of communication possible in v/t, when there is a set of eyes, a physical motion to the smallest of mannerisms, and a voice to match a look.
Mon 10:47:42 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . could you go into that, shyrose? that piqued my interest
Mon 10:48:00 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . thank you for the clarification on the difference betweeen discussions in TO versus discussions in the Dungeon, Absolem
Mon 10:48:00 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~dittos what Absolem just said~
There are actually detailed essays about what "Timeout" means within the lifestyle context. Perhaps one should be put up at some point.
Mon 10:48:25 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . Which part silknight?
Mon 10:48:35 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~chuckles at ella~ Yeah, it's a bugger sometimes.
Mon 10:48:41 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *nods to Sir*
Mon 10:48:54 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *nods to MrMan, respectful of his opinion..* for me, scening without knowing the person enough to trust them beyond not breaking any limit set, doesn't feel like D/s.. just playtime.. but that's just me..
Mon 10:49:09 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . what vt offers that rt does not, shyrose
Mon 10:49:52 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . welcome shyrose. *warm smile*
i think silknight brings up a good point...vt is different from rt...but does it make vt any less "real" or just different?
Mon 10:50:29 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . ~settles back to listen now~
Mon 10:51:31 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . To give trust is a choice, if you choose a relationship, in which you choose not to give trust, then that isn't something I find very practical, because in a relationship, trust is everything.
The trust should be based on something solid though, but up front you may only know so much about the other, and then I find it important to just give trust by choice, or cancel or postpone the relationship. I'm often in a hurry, so I have ended up with choosing to trust, and I have not being as much disappointed as I deem I would have had, had I chosen to not enter those relationships.
Mon 10:51:42 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Oh wait... ~triggered by silknight's words to shyrose~
I love that there ARE things I can do in vt that I CAN'T (or won't for high risk reasons) do in rt. ~grin~
Mon 10:51:53 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . Ah. Well all my training in the beginning was vt. The amount of communication that was required was more then I think would have been needed in rt. Like I had to actually write things that I may not have had the guts to say out loud but because One wasn't present I had to write it for One to know. I am used to a lot of non-verbal interactions and therefor not acknowledging some things but being required to type and therefor voice things made them more real in a way.
Mon 10:52:07 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *still isnt certain of the true carte blanche safety of Timeout statements, but is trying*
Mon 10:52:23 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
TimeOut is not just some room name that was placed here, it is a part of a healthy dynamic in the Ds and even the vanilla world of relationships and community debate/discussion. It is a healthy place to talk and lay aside some levels of restraint, so long as it remains neutral and not clogged with emotional baggage, whichi is the point.
Mon 10:53:02 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *puts my hand up..* i can honestly say that every step of progress i've had with Daddy has deepened my connection with Him... like the first time 'seeing' each other... first contact outside the castle... first phonecall... so i can definitely see and understand the different 'perks' that transitioning to rt can offer.. in saying that... if it was all done on a ft setting, i wonder if all those little levels would have meant as much... would i be just affected by His voice if i didn't have to work for it..? i don't know...
Mon 10:54:00 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *listening for the few remaining moments she has before rt steals her away*
Mon 10:54:56 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing little ella* I know for a fact I would not have talked or even trained with TM had I seen him first. It got to a point that Him in rt was separate from Him in vt for me.
Mon 10:55:11 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . And you are right about that not being D/s little ella, but it isn't 'just playtime' either, it is what many people seek, and is a T/b scene really.
Mon 10:55:41 PM EDT Apr 25 heather{JT} . . . ~rising...~ My time is at an end..... if you need a monitor for any reason...Alexandra will be taking over for me...
Thanks for the conversation and y'all have'a good night...
(no need for goodbyes..jus'keep the conversation rolling ~s~)
~slips into t'Dark~
Mon 10:56:10 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . Having vt first made me have a deeper connection with Him without things like age or physical looks or location entering into it.
Mon 10:56:12 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . be well heather
Mon 10:57:10 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *listening to shyrose*
i understand what you are saying, shyrose. i myself had a very similar experience vt. in lieu of having my body available to speak my reactions for me in a dynamic with One in vt...i found my submission became an exercise in expressing with my words what i felt, thought, or experienced in response to that One. and though i found it very different than when i have been interacting with One rt...the honest expressing of myself vt...was...deep...real...for me....but only because i opened myself up to the format of vt and it's offerings...the choice to be real and honest and vulnerable with my words...so that leads me to think vt D/s is a real as Oone allows it to be.
Mon 10:57:19 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiles and nods to shyrose..* that's another good thing about vt.. i think it makes our emotions more honest, though more strained and sensitive.. but we don't have the physical prejudices holding us back... i love that..
Mon 10:58:12 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i agree with that too, ella.
Mon 10:58:13 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Goodnight, love. ~hugs heather and kisses her cheek~ Rest well, and blissful dreams.
Mon 10:59:03 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Be well heather. *ws*
Mon 10:59:15 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Well said ella.
Mon 11:00:46 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . TM really stressed complete honesty so I never thought differently about it since I met Him within my first day here. But also I wonder how different P/people view chat room interactions vrs. Email or direct messaging?
Mon 11:01:11 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiles as heather leaves.. looking to MrMan..* so as a Dominant... do those practices... fulfill a need for control? it was my perception that a Dominants need is to be in complete control... does that control being restricted to a single scene have the same satisfying effect? or is that a stupid question?
Mon 11:01:18 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i do think that with vt... its easier to be self confident in presenting yourself
Mon 11:02:06 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Well, but what if, what if 'looove' suddenly appears little ella, and you decide to Oh, lets move together and live happily ever after, isn't that when the cardhouse may come down hard, if the age differences, and other abilities doesn't appear to be like they should?
Mon 11:02:32 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *lil grin to shyrose*
and that is another face of vt D/s...what is it...is it chat room only interactions...does it include email and messaging...is it still vt if it crosses over into phonecalls and video formats?
Mon 11:03:33 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *giggle at memory drawn up by MrMan* my first reaction to TM was Santa. I don't think that in the end if a vt relationship ha been honest and open that it matters
Mon 11:03:55 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Ahh .. a topping scene may involve D/s, and that D/s may come out strong little ella, but it's like a one night stand in the end, its over when the curtains fall, so its just for a brief moment, but then again, enough to keep at least Me smiling for some hours. *s*
Mon 11:04:18 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *agrees with the boy..* i'm more confident vt too.. i think because i have a choice in how i'm perceived... i can pick the things i like most about myself and be the best version of that... but in saying that, i think even vt and with all our pretty words and efforts, anyone that takes the time out to observe and interact with you, gets a pretty clear picture of who you really are.. even if you don't want them to
Mon 11:04:44 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . good point Mr. Man. what happens when Oone in a vt dynamic wishes it to become more than vt...wants to live happily ever after in an rt with Oone?
Mon 11:04:48 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *smiles warm to both shyrose and ellabella, nodding*
those are some of the things that are a blessing about rt... they allow us to get to know the soul of the ones we form relationships with, so that when milestones are reached they are felt deeply. Those same milestones may happen so much faster in rt and not have nearly the impact... or may not happen at all because we allow our prejudices get in the way of a relationship even beginning.
Mon 11:05:43 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . very true ella
Mon 11:06:30 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . And, when it comes down to it little ella, its only so much control a Dominant can hold over a submissive really, a submissive is the strong part that really can take away the control just as easily as it was given. Therefore I tend to be more concerned about the control I hold over Me, than over others, but that control over Myself, helps alot. *nods*
Mon 11:06:30 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing little ella* see I find myself at a disadvantage vt. In rt and vanilla a woman who is strong and knows how to move can get a lot for nothing and without saying much of anything. When then forced to articulate all emotions and reactions makes at least me feel more vurnable.
Mon 11:07:05 PM EDT Apr 25 Odysseus . . . happily ever after?..wow.. must live a life right out of a book...
Mon 11:07:57 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *turning to Odysseus* don't knock dreams.
Mon 11:07:59 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *kind of grins when MrMan says "loooovee"* well that's a whole other thing... and i think that comes down to the two individuals and how deeply attached they are to D/s... if two are completely honest with each other, which i'd say they'd have to be if they are transitioning to rt, then why would anything not 'appear as they should'?
Mon 11:08:16 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *soft smile to aisiesis*
yes. to connect with Oone vt is to connect with the essence of that Pperson...i have found...and after having done that...the prejudices of rt fall by the wayside because you see the Pperson not the shell that so often is the deciding factor in rt interactions.
Mon 11:08:22 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . Who knows. Dreams become closer to reality then we think at the beginning
Mon 11:08:58 PM EDT Apr 25 *Iron Duke* . . . looks in
Mon 11:09:00 PM EDT Apr 25 aisie lynn . . . *feeling rt pull*
Thank you for the discussion... *smiles then fades into the Night*
Mon 11:09:07 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . That was the point Odysseus..*s*...But people may end up in such situations. *nods*
Mon 11:09:19 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . be well aisie dear
Mon 11:09:23 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . welcome Odysseus.
*listening more*
Mon 11:09:35 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Be well aisie lynn. *s*
Mon 11:09:41 PM EDT Apr 25 Odysseus . . . not shure I have dreams... or if I do... they fade and are forgotten quickly
Mon 11:09:59 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . It may happen shyrose. *nods*
Mon 11:10:06 PM EDT Apr 25 Odysseus . . . wraps My cloak about Me...
Mon 11:10:15 PM EDT Apr 25 Odysseus . . . have a good morning all... and.. departs
Mon 11:10:57 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *hearing sweet aisie and the princess.. smiling warm at their inputs... before nodding along to shyrose's words...* i didn't think of that... of how vt can uncover a whole foreign set of vulnerabilities to different people.. thank you.. *then grins at her words to Odysseus...* dreams are good.
Mon 11:11:46 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *sends warmth and gratitude to sweet aisie... and hopes for sweetest candy dreams...*
Mon 11:12:11 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i think i guard my emotions a lot more in rt... in vt, we only have our inner thought and feelings to expose
Mon 11:12:37 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . welcome, Iron Duke.*considering a thoght*
not Eeveryone in vt is looking for happily ever after in rt with the Oone they D/s with in vt. for some vt is all Tthey want or require. and that comes back to honesty. being honest about what Oone is hoping for in Ttheir best case scenario of Ttheir vt D/s relationship.
Mon 11:12:57 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I think romantic feelings shouldn't be nurtured in a VT D/s relationship, unless it has been going on for a long time. That is a side of VT, that may become both bitter and hurtful for those involved. *nods*
Mon 11:13:44 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing silknight* yes there is a way of guarding emotions or redirecting that I find are not avalible to me in vt.
Mon 11:13:56 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I seriously think that is the sane approach tzigane, I regret to say so, but I do. Having said that, there are many C/couples from here that ended up married. *nods*
Mon 11:14:08 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *hearing MrMan about submissive a having the ultimate control.. little smile..* I think that is a whole other topic that we should probably consider for another Time Out session... i don't think i wholly agree with it..
Mon 11:14:10 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . . Looking over, nodding once to tzigane.
"you have done well, the conversation has found lovely tangents, and gone past the time you set it to end, at this time I would recommend closing the topic itself and allowing the discussions to continue, but that removes you and ella as the hostesses and your time is then to enjoy and others may take conversations towards the paths they may take."
Mon 11:15:17 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Another time little ella. *s*
Mon 11:15:23 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . brb
Mon 11:15:53 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing MrMan* do you feel that romantic emotions are easily disconnected from vt? I feel that the level of trust that is required, at least for me, to enter into a D/s relationship wither it be vt or rt, requires a level of love to be present
Mon 11:16:08 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . i disagree, Mr.Man...i think vt D/s can and should nurture romantic feelings...because for me romance is an intrinsically important facet of D/s...my heart must be involved or it is flat for me. course, i also think being honest about that need of mine is NECESSARY. honesty about it doesn't mean i won't get hurt...just means that i would rather feel and experience loss than not feel at all.
Mon 11:16:41 PM EDT Apr 25 *Iron Duke* . . . hmmm a rare night this is....hot discussion in the room....with talk of yet another a weeks hence
Mon 11:16:57 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . and... *about the romantic feelings shouldn't be nurtured..* i don't agree with that either.. emotions at any level should be taken care of and compounded into the dynamic... that's what i think anyway..
Mon 11:18:09 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *agrees with the princess with a whole hearted smile and a bounce of loyal excitement..* yesss... what she said...
Mon 11:18:18 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Nodding to Iron Duke
"That is the point of TO, to open discussions that can become very personal, and open. There isn't an element of having to scene, socialize or be within a certain mindset, simply bring your thoughts, be open and honest and don't take it personally when someone disagrees with your views.
Mon 11:18:41 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . *warm smile to Absolem*
thank you for encoragement and willingness to contribute to the discussion tonight, Eeveryone. and yes...my rt requires my attention. i must step away now. please continue the discussion for as long as it pleases Eeach of Yyou to do so.
ella are you also taking your leave?
Mon 11:19:02 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *smiles to Iron Duke..*
Mon 11:19:18 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Love..of course there are feelings involved .. but I tend to restrict those feelings to VT, so I don't lie in My bed, hugging My pillow longing for one. I also don't go to bed with one, and spoon one, all kinds of shit like that. I do think of one, and smile though, remembering the looks from a photograph and such. It can actually be just as strong as in RT, by mishap, it has happened, but I really do shun it, trying to keep that distance, never texting the word love, denying one to use that word.
Mon 11:19:31 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . returns
Mon 11:20:05 PM EDT Apr 25 *Iron Duke* . . . nods at litte ella
Mon 11:21:23 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *turns to smile admiringly at the princess...* thank you so much for doing this... and for letting me be a part of it... i'm going to linger for a bit longer if the conversation carries... *passing a red note before she goes..*
Mon 11:21:53 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *tilting head listening to MrMan* do you find that you don't feel as strongly about a relationship you may have vt? I wonder if some are more able then I to separate emotions felt in vt from those felt in rt.
Mon 11:22:40 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I'm here for the D/s, not reenacting my first high school crush.
I like to think of my feelings as sympathy, or empathy, and that I do care. And I may be in love, but I don't ever mention it, and prays that it passes. *s*
Mon 11:23:00 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . Mr. Man i think your point is a good one...perhaps next week's topic may include an exploration of whether or not love should be a part of vt D/s. *twinkly smile*
that said...i am up for meeting in here again next week same time for another discussion...i am also willing to host such again...unless Ssomeone else wishes too?
Mon 11:24:18 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . I would love *wink* to be here for that meeting. I find this and the idea of more talks like this verify productive to learning and growing
Mon 11:24:54 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . with all due respect MrMan, i think that's kind of unhealthy... but to each their own.
*smiling.. nodding at the princess..* i'm up for a repeat for sure...
Mon 11:25:00 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . you did a wonderful job, tzi and ella *grins*
Mon 11:25:03 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . and thank you, ellabella for assisting in facilitating the discussion tonight. *warm smile*
Mon 11:25:13 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I really try the best I can to avoid it all times shyrose.
Sometimes its unavoidable, then I flow with it, because then its obviously good.
A Domme once ensnared Me into a vanilla online relationship, that was boiling hot for a month, that month was the best month of my life, and cured me for a lot of issues. *grins*
Mon 11:25:15 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . . "I think you just volunteered tzigane. I will go over as I'm sure Alexandra might, some of what may help you in your efforts. Good job over all."
Mon 11:26:38 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Good job, ladies. It was a good discussion. ~s~
Mon 11:27:26 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I am the healthiest person I know of, little ella. *s*
Its all up to you what you go for, each to his own, I'm not here to agree with you or reach consensus, but this is things I have pondered, and what I feel is right with my knowledge, however how wicked or crooked my knowledge may be. *s*
Mon 11:27:41 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing MrMan* do you do the same in rt or is it just vt that you avoid strong emotions?
Mon 11:27:55 PM EDT Apr 25 tzigane . . . thank you, Absolem...i appreciate any insights you are willing to share on how to more effectively facilitate a discussion. and Alexandra's input too is always greatly valued.
that said i gotta fly.
next week...same bat time...same bat channel...i look forward to seeing Yyou Aall again and enjoying more convo. blessings!
Mon 11:28:04 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . *heard shyrose, makes notes*
Mon 11:28:05 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *beams just a little.. smiling proud at the princess hearing Absolem and Alexandra..* a perfect hostess, i think...
Mon 11:28:38 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I can't avoid it, if I can't help it, that goes for both VT and RT shyrose. *s*
Mon 11:29:07 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *chomps her cheek on her way out.... of course....*
Mon 11:29:32 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . I think it would also be interesting to hear the different in emotional investment/involvement in vt between subs and Doms. Just from the reactions from subs to MrMan's comment about leaving love out of vt
Mon 11:30:04 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . It was nice..*nods gratefully*
Mon 11:30:14 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . And thanks everyone for being grown up. ~grin~
Mon 11:30:38 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *grin at Alexandra* I try
Mon 11:30:54 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I'm talking more like a man, with my psychological wiring shyrose. *s*
Mon 11:31:00 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . You know, you guys can discuss all those things in the Dungeon, too. ~chuckle~
Mon 11:31:02 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
MrMan, please clarify 'making notes' if your going to hold one's words in here as some form of issue to be dealt with later, your sending the precisely wrong spirit of TO, and honestly that is what will and does undermine a setting such as this where people come to discuss and feel they can say anything.
You spoke yourself clearly, don't make someone guess if you are going to take something they say as personal and effect their willingness to speak openly in TimeOut.
Mon 11:32:21 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . It was just made as a joke Absolem, and has no bearing, but thank you for reminding me, I'll refrain from such antics here for the future.
Mon 11:32:31 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing Absolem and smiling*
Mon 11:33:21 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . You know, while the actual nomenclature of "Timeout" being all official has it's specific meaning and etiquette, there is absolutely no reason the same kind of civil, mature mode of discussion cannot happen in the Dungeon on a regular basis.
If you can do it here, you can do it there. We really are all adults, at least we should be, according to the front page. ~chuckle~
Mon 11:33:54 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Your 'just jokes' have a huge impact on people MrMan, and come off as bordering on abusive behavior in a community. I have a son that says "jus joking' a lot too, I don't take his actions any lighter for the choice of explanation.
Mon 11:34:32 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . That is a good point Absolem. But these TO do create a better understanding of the O/ones we see in the Dungeon.
Mon 11:35:11 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Its a pretty long way from that joke to becoming somewhere close to something with abusive behaviour. It was a flirtatious joke. Just leave it at that.
Mon 11:35:59 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing Alexandra* yes but do you feel that different interactions interrupt these types of talks in the Dungeon?
Mon 11:36:25 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
That is the point of such a setting shyrose, and Alexandra is correct, discussions can and should take place as adults and as open in the dungeon.
TimeOut in a relationship is valuable to a healthy exchange at times, it is the letting down of hair and walls for some, and it should be respected even here. Thus I address it being treated in a manner that might make some less willing to speak and be heard.
Mon 11:36:47 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *agrees with Alexandra..* i think we really showed how capable we all are of having real and good conversation.. no reason why we can't all the time... *smiling..* imagine the things we'd learn about each other...
Mon 11:37:09 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . It's true that various types of interactions can happen in the Dungeon at the same time, that may interfere with an atmosphere of "pure discussion" as this is. ~nods to shyrose~ Good point.
Mon 11:37:34 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Leave it at the door then next time MrMan, it might not effect the one your flirting with, but if it shuts the mouth of others in here, then you damaging the community. Now you know...
Mon 11:37:59 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . In my opinion, friendship and respect are qualities that should be in place, and be deemed much more important than love and romance really.
Mon 11:38:26 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . *hearing Absolem* but like you (I think) said, here there are no intruptions of entrances and exits. It is all talk and no "scenes" I find that more conducive to longer discussions
Mon 11:38:50 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I know now Absolem, and I sincerly hope I didn't have that effect on anybody, and I know this is a speak-easy, so I won't make such jokes again. *nods*
Mon 11:39:46 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Just as the Rack Room is meant purely for scenes with no commentary outside of them, the same holds true for here regarding discussion. ~nod~
Mon 11:40:03 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Yes shyrose, it is sitting and talking, no fluff to distract for the most part. And as we all saw, a lot of voices finally did share and did so in a manner that was good to see.
Mon 11:41:19 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . That makes me feel that though, yes we can have these adult talks in the Dungeon, they may not take the place of weekly discussions here.
Mon 11:41:23 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . i like the idea of anything in here not being taken outside the room, im not certain as of yet i wholly believe it
Mon 11:41:35 PM EDT Apr 25 little ella . . . *gathers myself up with a grateful bow of my head to everyone..* thank you all for the time spent and efforts indulged in keeping the fire going... *and with that, sets off to linger in the dark somewhere else...*
Mon 11:41:43 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . It was an okay discussion Alexandra, it really was. *s*
Mon 11:42:34 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I think it was great having it here, with not much anything more going on, as the posts came quickly, in the dungeon, it would have been harder to track it all.
Mon 11:42:53 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Actually, Timeout is a suspension of ALL interpersonal connections, be it D/s, friendship, as well as animosities.
It is ~pure~ discussion, in the truest sense. And nothing said in a Timeout can be used or held against someone at other times.
Sometimes we can't truly be that "pure" but we can sure aspire to it.
Mon 11:43:42 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . It was good, and I'm glad this has been kickstarted again. ~nods~
Mon 11:44:35 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . Be well little ella, and thanks for your efforts. *s*
Mon 11:46:24 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . If someone is caught out using things said in here to rile them with or used in any way outside of here, silknight, they will be dealing with the DM.
Mon 11:47:01 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . thank you for that reassurance Alexandra
Mon 11:47:14 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Nodding.
Or just called out by Me, if you can't tell I have a fondness for the place and spirit of it.
Mon 11:47:24 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . I mean, used negatively. What we learn from here should by all means used in positive ways. ~chuckles~
Mon 11:47:59 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . thank you for that too, Sir
Mon 11:48:25 PM EDT Apr 25 *MrMan* . . . I agree with you Alexandra. *s*
Mon 11:48:37 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
One thing to consider too Alexandra, once there were logs of discussions here posted for others to later enjoy who couldn't. Might not be a bad thing to restart as well, it might encourage further.
Mon 11:48:47 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Truly, everyone is meant to feel at ease and free in a Timeout, to express views and opinions and ideas that they might hesitate to without the protections a Timeout offers. ~nods~
Mon 11:49:31 PM EDT Apr 25 shyrose . . . Thank you all for the space created for this. I am completely behind a weekly space for these talks without the side interactions that arise in other spaces.
Mon 11:49:53 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Well, it hasn't been cleared in what seems like years, Absolem. ~g~ So I'm sure it will be kept running, unless something untoward happens.
Mon 11:51:46 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
Oh I was referring to the forums, or am I transposing a memory of another place. I thought once some of the discussion, mind you not all, but some were posted in entirety of the alotted time for the discussion, for others to enjoy.
If I am wrong, still isn't a bad idea. Since the room is closed to most during the week.
Mon 11:52:40 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . why is Timeout not open during the week
Mon 11:53:25 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Oh yes... there was a "journal" or something, forget what it was called... The Chronicles, or something?
~nods~ Right. I suppose that could be looked into being started up again.
Mon 11:54:11 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . It used to be open all the time when it was used more, silknight. So perhaps now that it's being used again, that will happen again.
I will certainly propose it to the Mistress.
Mon 11:54:17 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
I think it is due to the fact that the room isn't swept clean, so it provides less chance of what is said being moved to far up the logs by fluff not part of a planned discussion lapboy.
Mon 11:55:19 PM EDT Apr 25 Absolem^ . . .
On in the spirit of that note, I'm going to exit the room and let the logs have a bit of a rest here.
Mon 11:55:20 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . thank you for that Alexandra
Mon 11:55:45 PM EDT Apr 25 silknight . . . *bows and slips back to the Dungeon*
Mon 11:56:24 PM EDT Apr 25 Alexandra . . . Also, part of the idea of a Timeout is that there needs to be a moderator... as tzigane and ella did tonight.
It's not really meant to be, "just come in and post whatever's on your mind". Of course, everyone is free to suggest topics they would like to see covered, as well as volunteer to host. ~s~
Tue 12:01:25 AM EDT Apr 26 *MrMan* . . . It worked very well with moderators Alexandra. *nods*
Tue 12:01:56 AM EDT Apr 26 *MrMan* . . . Be well Aall. *s*
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