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“TimeOut is a Safe place where dominants and submissives(both m&f) can discuss ‘VT’ and ‘RT’ D/s topics.”
Mon 08:29:15 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . ~wanders on in~
Mon 08:30:36 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~enters and waits for heather to post her topic~
Anyone attending, you know the rules. If not, there are provided in the links above.
Essentially, Timeout is where all can freely discuss anything lifestyle related, without feeling restricted by the constraints of your orientation that may otherwise be in place. Nothing said here may be used in any negative way, here or outside of here.
Mon 08:31:06 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . oh..me..? ~blinks.....grins~~~ oh well....~runs back down to get it~ brb
Mon 08:32:18 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~chuckles~
Mon 08:32:47 PM EDT Jun 27 *BlackLion* . . . Hello L/ladies.......when is a scene to extreme and should be taken to private.....just tossing it out.....I only have four minutes but at lunch will be back to read.......S....
Mon 08:32:50 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . I thought it'd be interesting to discuss how to recognize abuse within a BDSM relationship .....and on that same vein..would anyone feel insulted if your r/t partner asked for a legal contract..regarding consents...etc...and could it be worded to prevent...abuse from being covered up by legalese...?
Mon 08:35:05 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . too extreme is anything that breaks the castle rules..........that's it........if it doesn't...it's allowed......and it's the watchers who need to step out..if they feel it's not their cup o'tea..~ws~
Mon 08:35:08 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . "Too extreme" is in the eye of the beholder, BlackLion. That is one of the reasons RACK was introduced as a clearer and broader philosophy than SSC.
I think it only matters if one of the participants find it "too extreme", then it should stop.
But as long as it is following RACK and the safety guidelines, spectators don't have to watch if they find it "too extreme".
Mon 08:35:59 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Right. ~and if it is within the Castle rules... points to heather's post~
Mon 08:36:25 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . t'some Daddy and I are too extreme..I don't get it mostly...but we are..(I know...cause some have told me!)...so really it's up to the watcher...and as long as it's not against the rules.. no scene is 'too extreme'......
Mon 08:37:18 PM EDT Jun 27 *BlackLion* . . . Yes true Alex......but should O/ones be considerate to the room or just carry on with the knowledge that O/others are not comfortable with what is happening....
Mon 08:38:13 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . And to heather's topic, first, recognizing abuse within a BDSM relationship can be tricky. And secondly, I think anyone objecting to a contract needs to have a very good reason that does ~not~ include "I don't want anything that might incriminate me down the line".
Mon 08:38:39 PM EDT Jun 27 *BlackLion* . . . Sorry L/ladies time calls....but I will be back on My next break......
Mon 08:39:17 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Politely..we're not here to hand hold, BlackLion....we're here to be who we are.....~crooked smile~......they're grown ups...they can go red..or come back..if they don't like what's going on..
Mon 08:39:25 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . I don't think so, BlackLion. The Dungeon is a room for BDSM, the doing of it and the discussion of it, in all its forms, extreme or otherwise. The only parameters are safety, awareness, and the Castle rules.
Mon 08:39:49 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Okay, BlackLion. See you then.
Mon 08:42:39 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Well, as I said, what I may find "typical" or "enjoyable", someone else may find "extreme". So...
But anyone coming to the Dungeon needs to recognize that BDSM and D/s cover a very broad palette, and if they find something difficult to watch, or distasteful, or whatever... they don't have to watch it.
If they feel strongly enough, they can find a monitor and speak to them. But the people in the scene should not feel in any way "responsible" for the sensibilities of those present, as long as they are within the mentioned parameters.
Mon 08:43:07 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . but..what if someone used the legal language to a contract willingly signed ...to cover up their abuse later on?..You know what I mean?
Mon 08:43:55 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . You say so eloquently what I say as "we don't hand hold.." ~sheepish laugh~
Mon 08:44:16 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Daddy's rubbed off on me..
~lil'tee hee at'er own funny~
Mon 08:46:04 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Well yeah, it's tricky with BDSM. I'm not even sure a BDSM contract is really enforceable legally.
There's a very fuzzy line.
Mon 08:46:56 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Having been in a dangerously abusive relationship.....I can agree...that sometimes..especially early abuse.........is very hard to tell from a very serious p/e.....
and how hard is it to.........say the bruises you were totally for...are now bruises...you don't want...or control...the very foundation of a d/s relationship.......that has become abusive...rather than freeing..
and as a former abuse victim....I know how deeply ..you can be made afraid to speak up....
Mon 08:47:41 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~soft laugh~
Well, to be honest, I'm keeping in mind that people will be reading these conversations into the future and perhaps things need to be spelled out more than they might be on a regular Dungeon discussion. ~g~
Mon 08:48:47 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
under the law, one cannot consent to criminal conduct. the fact that a submissive may have signed a contract is irrelevant if someone does something to them that rises to the level of criminal conduct.
Mon 08:49:15 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . yesyes..but it's too hard for me to be all formal and 'spell it out' at the moment..though I agree..anything left to be misunderstood.........usually..is............~chuckles~ so...yes..you get to spell it out..~grin~
Mon 08:49:46 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
You are absolutely right, m'Lady Alexandra. most aspects in a BDSM contract are completely unenforceable in a court of law.
Mon 08:50:44 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Yes, that is the slippery slope. In times prior, when this kind of thing has been discussed, my perspective was basically, I'd rather do what I do mostly in the shadows (of regular society) then for it to be legal and then really abused people have to fight a harder battle as a result. To me, taking the real abuse seriously is far more important than my desire to be "open" about what I do. Which I don't really care about one way or the other anyway.
Mon 08:52:28 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Found an interesting looking article from The Harvard Law Review:
http://harvardlawreview.org/2014/12/nonbinding-bondage/
Mon 08:53:13 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Have you had experience with that, flying sorcery? ~nods~
I suppose a good lawyer can use legal language in deft ways that might make certain things at least... recognizable to the law.
Which is a very good argument for finding a really good, "bdsm-friendly" lawyer.
Mon 08:53:55 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Steps in late as usual
Mon 08:54:47 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Ooh, nice.! Thank you, missy. Maybe I'll put that link at the top of this discussion in the archives.
Mon 08:55:26 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Hello, miss steele. ~s~ BlackLion said he would be returning.
Mon 08:55:33 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Saves the link...
Mon 08:55:48 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Yes..Daddy intends for us to have BDSM friendly lawyer..as well as a fully knowledgeable physician...in part....because obviously I break easy...(not that he'd ever break me!)......but ..my bruises are big..and linger...and my doctor has to be willing to accept I want them...........
Mon 08:56:02 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Greetings Alexandra...thank You...hope I can be here
Mon 08:56:35 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Heya ms. bits! ~ws~ welcome..not late..at all..
Mon 08:56:56 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i've had a certain degree of experience. i am an attorney. *grin* i am familiar with, not from my own experience, but from reading about them, several cases where someone was prosecuted from actions within a D/s relationship. some of them involved conduct that any sane person would understand is criminal, down to relatively minor infractions well within the scope of standard D/s activities. in no case that i am aware of was anyone able to avoid criminal prosecution by relying on the D/s nature of the relationship.
Mon 08:57:26 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
hiya, silky. *silly grin and wave*
Mon 08:58:37 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Were I ever to have a permanent relationship, I will definitely find a good lawyer knowledgeable about the lifestyle. My doctor actually is great that way. He's not a "beds doctor"... he's been my family doctor since I was a teenager. ~grin~ But he's pretty open-minded.
Mon 08:59:02 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Uh... "bdsm doctor". ~shakes head~
Mon 08:59:03 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . no, I think you're absolutely correct, sorcery...no one in the States, either...to date....but I do wonder as BDSM becomes more 'accepted' if at any point that will change..
Mon 08:59:17 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . My doctor in BC was bdsm friendly....I didn't know it until he brought it up...when I said it was a lifestyle...he just smiled at me and asked how deep and what role did I play and what could ge expect....when I told him he came right out and said that he accepts such and has no issue with it and I need to be fully honest with him if things go deeper and if he sees anything that is not acceptable within the lifestyle he would be having a talk with me and the One I was with....lol
Mon 09:00:20 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Greetings and thanks heather...
Mon 09:01:25 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . I have to have one...otherwise..they're going to always think I'm a terribly abused woman..and reporting abuse is mandatory in most US states..
Mon 09:02:20 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Ah! Well, there you go. ~grins at flying sorcery~ Need new clients? ~soft laugh~
Right... and again, therein lies the issue with the word and meaning of "sane". ~chuckles~
~tben nods~ I think that is for the best, though, for the reasons of the slippery slope I mentioned. At least until the rest of the world catches up to us. ~grin~
Mon 09:06:14 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i'm in recovery now, m'Lady, no longer practicing. *grin* if i were, my advice would be to surround yourself with professionals who are aware of your relational situation and do everything in your power to avoid catching the eye of the local law enforcment officers (LEOs). hopefully, if anything comes to their attention, you can marshal the professionals you have surrounded yourself with to reassure the LEOs that they do not need to intervene in the situation.
Mon 09:06:58 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . I am so sorry flying s...Blows you a kiss in Greetings. ..
Mon 09:12:01 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Ohhh. ~nods to flying sorcery~ I see.
And yes, I agree. That is very sound advice.
I know many people within this lifestyle perceive it all as "play" and "fun and games" and they they want to think about the responsible, 'serious' side of things. What? And put a damper on my fun? Pshaw! But just wait and see how much of a damper it is when you're caught out and have no net in place as you free-fall into the system.
Mon 09:12:33 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . they don't want to...
Mon 09:13:11 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . I agree, Snook..
Mon 09:13:49 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . I think many might not think of it at all either...that if both go in saying we wanted this...that it would not matter...not to mention a scorned submissive wanting revenge...sighs
Mon 09:14:52 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
well, it's a downer to deal with the daily nuts and bolts of the thing. and it's certainly not fun. but it's a lot less fun to find yourself at the wrong end of a criminal prosecution. it's really no different from using proper protection and observing proper procedures during a scene. an ounce of prevention and all that.
Mon 09:16:10 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods to silknsteele~ Exactly. Many are naive enough or maybe just plain ignorant enough, to think saying "we both consent" that should make it okay. The law doesn't work that way.
Mon 09:17:41 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods agreement to flying sorcery~
Mon 09:19:55 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
in particular, part of the reason "we both consented" doesn't work is because LEOs and prosecutors have been dealing for decades with domestic violence victims who do not always want to see the abuser prosecuted, and sometimes help in the defense if charges are filed. they have developed a set of protocols to deal with that kind of situation that can easily be transferred to a D/s situation if they think that's what's happening. that's why it's particularly important to have a good collection of professionals familiar with your relationship so they can assure the LEOs that this does not need fixing.
Mon 09:20:44 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Yes, I've actually seen cases... I think it was on.... American Crime? One of those shows that showcased real life cases...
From both sides... people keeping others as captives and in cages and stuff and 'forcing' them to do BDSM things. And also... submissives wanting revenge trying to incriminate those they submitted to, who perhaps had broken up with them for one reason or another. Sometimes, both are culpable.
There are so many iterations of things. That is why the law is the way it is. To make it an even playing field with ~facts~ rather than "emotions".
Mon 09:20:45 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . No it doesn't Alexandra...and either do emotions...some people can get really vindictive...Shudders. ..talk about scary...hell some of the rough sex I have had would look like rape....
Mon 09:21:25 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Yes, Stockholm syndrome is very common in many abuse cases.
Mon 09:23:14 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods again to flying sorcery~ thank you very much for the perspective and information you are providing. I think it's a very important aspect of this lifestyle to consider, and we all should be taking it very seriously.
Mon 09:23:34 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . that's really what I was curious about, sorcery.
how do they distinguish..between a non-victim and a real victim..if both swear they want it......? ~curious~
I've been the victim.....and I could give oscar worthy performances about how happy I was..but in reality...I was completely broken.....a shell of a human being....
Mon 09:24:25 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods, glad heather asked~
Mon 09:25:20 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . and how ...in v/t do we recognize abusers.....
on one hand..they talk about identifying abusers..players
then another day...it's all about how it's v/t and we should all mind our own business..
but ..I view mental abuse just as I do actual, physical abuse........I know v/t bs can break your mind.....
Mon 09:25:31 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Listens interested. ..
Mon 09:26:24 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Pain can go away mental does not..so I find one worse then others...not that either are right...
Mon 09:27:41 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Work brb
Mon 09:27:43 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i'm not sure how they decide, from one case to another. i suspect if all they have is he said/she said, it comes down to gut feeling. but the more independent support you have that it's a healthy relationship, the more likely it is that they will leave you alone.
Mon 09:27:49 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . ~nods~ I have real, physical scars on my body, ms. bits..from his abuse..
but it's the words...that....run ten times deeper still.....
and not just his........but things other people have done to hurt me without ever having lifted a hand..
Mon 09:29:58 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . I really don't think many people understand what "community" means. What it means to be supportive in a lifestyle that can so easily be abused in nefarious ways, especially in this medium.
Lip service is paid to all those things, "communication", "open honesty", "community", "support"... but when it comes down to actually ~being~ that, or ~doing~ that, it's... yeah, myob and to each his own and don't judge me.
Mon 09:31:40 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . That makes sense, flying sorcery. ~nods~ More strong argument for having a cadre of competent professionals who can vouch for you and understand who you are if a crunch time ever comes.
Mon 09:33:09 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i'm not here as often as i used to be, so i'm not in a position to know as much about as many people as i used to, but i won't hesitate to send a whisper, even uninvited, to someone getting involved with someone who makes me uneasy. and i'll never hesitate to do so.
Mon 09:34:00 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Then good for you, flying sorcery. I think most are more worried about offending someone than the are about protecting someone.
Mon 09:36:08 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . yes..I unfortunately agree, Snook.........I've seen the same voices..voicing both opinions on different days..and......I think sometimes...it's a bit of..'yeah..support and protect..unless I think you're talking about me..then FU..who do you think you are.."
we either...want to protect..or we don't....
and despite what some insinuate..I actually care if people are being hurt here...........
which is why I wish if...you're just here for v/t..and some kink..say so.............I'd respect that.........and if you're here to learn....show me that........be willing to 'hear'.......and be willing to actively ~learn~
it ..disappoints me when I see all those 'they' type comments..'they think they're this..they think they're that.....'.......
Mon 09:36:31 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
the fact of the matter is that prosecutors don't want to bring cases they don't think they can win. the more people you have around you, and have been around you for a long time, and can vouch for the true nature of the relationship, let less likely they'll want to prosecute. because even if they can make a case that will get to the jury, they jury is likely to acquit.
as long as you can make them think their resources are better used in a different direction, they will likely leave you alone.
Mon 09:37:23 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . .
mmm...yeah...~nods hearing sorcery~..
Mon 09:38:52 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Slips back in
Mon 09:38:55 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i'm not here enough to worry about offending someone. *grin* particularly someone who i think may be dangerous. but even when i was here more often, the safety of others would always trump my online relationship with anyone or anything.
Mon 09:39:11 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods to heather~ Nothing breaks down any sense of community faster than an "us and them" attitude.
Mon 09:39:46 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . so what would a victim do..if it was all good in the start...and slowly becomes real abuse...........especially ..if all their 'friends' ...knew them as a perfectly happy BDSM couple.
tell a professional...the doctor? ~muses~..keep a diary of 'this wasn't right...' type passages..document......photographs.. hm...
I wonder if we'll see an uptick of that with BDSM going more 'public'.... these days everyone thinks they're kinky...
Mon 09:41:36 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods~ And I suppose... in the end, while the doctors and the teachers and whomever else are important and good to have on your side, a damned good lawyer is what you in when it comes to the crunch.
We would all hope it never will come to that, and perhaps for most of it it won't. But you never know. Best the plan for the unknown, than bet and hope. ~wry chuckle~
Mon 09:42:50 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . They might not even see it themselves if it happens slowly...especially if they don't have a support network...
Mon 09:43:38 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
heather, that kind of question is very far outside my expertise. but i would think/hope that the more outside people that are aware of and a part of the relationship, the easier it would be to get help to get out if things go pear shaped.
i do know that one of the frequent tactics of abusive partners is to isolate the victim from others, to make them feel like they have no options outside of the abusive relationship. so having that group around you in the first place would make it more difficult for an abuser to gain the kind of dangerous dominance over the victim that they need.
Mon 09:43:46 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Yeah... ~nods hearing heather~ And sometimes, even the person in the relationship, depending on how deep they are and for how long, might not even readily recognize when it turns to abuse... until it gets so far along that... it's next to impossible.
Mon 09:44:10 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Right. ~nods to silknsteele~
Mon 09:45:15 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
m'Lady Alexandra, absolutely. i can't begin to tell You the number of times where, if someone had come to me, or another attorney, months earlier, most or all of the trouble they were in could have been managed and avoided. see an attorney sooner rather than later.
Mon 09:45:18 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . I know ..sorcery..~ss~ exactly how it goes...and you're right...piece by piece.....they take everything......
Mon 09:46:13 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Smiles to Alexandra....
Mon 09:46:24 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Oh yes... that is one of the first signs. So friends and supporters... need to be able to see that, and comment... make sure the person ~in~ the relationship is aware of it, because being in it, they might not recognize the isolation for themselves.
You need friends who aren't afraid of pushing it... who you know will be honest with you... and will go out of their own comfort zone to protect you.
Mon 09:47:11 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . yes..~agreeable~
Mon 09:47:27 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~nods~
Mon 09:48:32 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Fair-weather friends are nice and all... in fair weather. ~wry chuckle~
Mon 09:49:05 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . indeed......
but you're an all weather gal..~hugs'ya~ you've always had me back..
Mon 09:50:11 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~grins and hugs back~ You know it, babe. No one's gonna hurt my bestie in a bad way, even if I have to slap her upside the head the see it. ~wink~
Mon 09:50:13 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Smiles to two....
Mon 09:50:55 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . and you have! lol
Mon 09:51:34 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~laughs~ Yeah well, you have too. ~grin~
Mon 09:52:45 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Wow, this has turned out to be a really good... and I think, important discussion. Thank you all for contributing. ~smiles around~
Of course, having said that, it's not the end of the discussion. Just sayin'. ~g~
Mon 09:52:58 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Only cause I love ya...*lil'grin*
Mon 09:53:16 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Yes..I agree...it's been really enjoyable..
Mon 09:55:25 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . brb
Mon 09:55:51 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Thank you so much for adding your expertise, flying sorcery. ~smiles~
Mon 09:57:23 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Yes it has been a great one...wit some wonderful thoughts and questions...glad I was here..thanks
Mon 09:58:35 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
i'm always happy to help in any way i can.
i should add this disclaimer: none of what i have said is intended to be or should be taken as personal legal advice. each situation is different and laws vary greatly from state to state. the best practice is to seek advice from a local attorney familiar with your personal situation.
Mon 09:59:28 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Brb work
Mon 09:59:41 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~smiles and understands the disclaimer~ Spoken like a real attorney. ~grin~ But I think , needed to be said, definitely. ~nods~
Mon 10:01:02 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
now, with that having been said, who do i see for the spanking i was promised in exchange for my expertise? *looking around the room, green eyes twinkling*
Mon 10:01:51 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . ~chuckles~~
Mon 10:02:15 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~soft laugh~ That might bear some negotiation.
Mon 10:03:36 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
dammit! i always forget to arrange that ahead of time. *mock sigh*
Mon 10:04:33 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~laughs~ Well, you may be a smart attorney, flying sorcery, but a little rust is showing along the seams there. ~winks~
Mon 10:06:02 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Steps back in....
Mon 10:06:18 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Ohhhhhh a spanking..grins
Mon 10:06:38 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
yeah, they tell you an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client. i guess it's true.
Mon 10:07:32 PM EDT Jun 27 silk-n-steele^ . . . Okay work is getting busy laters...and thank you everyone
Mon 10:07:42 PM EDT Jun 27 ~flying sorcery {Mme Belle}~ . . .
yes, it's a service i provide, silky. will receive free spankings from any woman, Top or bottom, no questions asked. *grin*
Mon 10:08:19 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . ~laughs~
Well, I suppose we could pretend it's the movies where that stuff actually works.
Mon 10:08:33 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Take care, miss steele.
Mon 10:08:55 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Be well, ms. bits..~ss~
Mon 10:09:19 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Okay, perhaps back to the D?
Unless another topic is in the offing? ~looks around with a grin~
Mon 10:10:11 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Someone can certainly throw another topic out there... ~ws~
other than that...I'm fine with goin' back to t'D..
Mon 10:10:40 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . I believe tzigane and ella are due in..~sees t'time~
Mon 10:14:44 PM EDT Jun 27 Alexandra . . . Hmm... yes. ~nods and glances at the time as well~
Well, I got nuthin still. ~grin~ But you came up with a good 'un.
Back to the D, then.
Mon 10:15:13 PM EDT Jun 27 heather{JT} . . . Thanks, Babe!..
~follows ya'on~~
Mon 10:44:42 PM EDT Jun 27 little ella . . . *tinkers in to read up on the topic*
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