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Monday, May 2, 2016

Mon 09:50:01 PM EDT May 2 Alexandra . . . FYI ALL...

I'm in the process of eventually setting up transcripts of past timeouts as we have them, so that they are accessible as reference, or for those who could not attend the actual discussion. So don't worry about the room being cleared - the transcript will be made available at some point. Mistress Beauty just wanted a clear room because of all the build-up over several years. ~chuckle~

She's happy to know there is a renewed interest in TimeOut discussions again, though, and has mentioned she will try to attend when she can. Just keep in mind she is a very busy woman. ~s~

Mon 09:51:43 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiles*
Thank You for letting us know, Alexandra.

Mon 09:57:59 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *smiles as i settle with a dip of my head and an excited little smile.. watching the clock.. waiting for the arm to stretch all the way up...*

Mon 10:00:04 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . Welcome Eeveryone, to Time Out tonight.. we had a successful night of reviving this room last week and we have high hopes that tonight will be of the same energized reflection.. tzigane is our gracious hostess and i will be a shadow to her, both playing a part in keeping the conversation this eve healthy, clear and flowing. Oour time here is intended to be a discussion among equals, with sensitivity and respect for the opinions offered. let's share ideas and words and painted pictures from our mind's
eye... and.. let's grow..

Mon 10:01:05 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . Time Out was opened with a vision for free speech.. all opinions expressed in this room are not to be carried over and used to taint treatment of anybody who speaks here. feel safe here, and feel inspired in that safety. time spent here is to revolve around solid verbal exchange and not physical action. We are here to interact intellectually and learn from each other, an opportunity we can all take advantage of for the betterment of us as a community..

Mon 10:02:09 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . The topic chosen for tonight is:

*How do Yyou negotiate a scene?*

Time Out is home for this discussion from now, until 11.30pm castle time. tzigane will open the conversation and then please... reflect... dissect... share...

Mon 10:02:49 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . .
Well said and thought out.

Mon 10:03:10 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *skitters into the room, having raced to make it in time for the conversation*

good eve all

Mon 10:03:26 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *grateful lil grin to ellabella*

Hello Eeveryone.

So to start off the topic of How do Yyou negotiate a scene…I have a lil pithy quote to place on the table…

"During negotiations, you can't 'Top from the bottom' because you are not yet his bottom."

(Please understand for the sake of ease, the grammatically correct pronoun "he" is being used…this is no way meant to insinuate that all Tops/Doms are Male or that females are bottoms/submissives)
I am curious to hear the response Yyou Aall have to this quote.

Mon 10:04:01 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . (Just getting home from a meeting, so will be slow at first as I settle my house)

Mon 10:04:50 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *dips my head to Absolem..* it wasn't without good coaching.. thank you..
*smiling, listening to the Princess kick things off..*

Mon 10:07:23 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . i'm still unsure what topping from the bottom is... so i m not sure how to respond to the quote, save that i would think in negotiation nothing has been established yet on what will happen?

Mon 10:07:53 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . i'm still unsure what topping from the bottom is... so i m not sure how to respond to the quote, save that i would think in negotiation nothing has been established yet on what will happen?

Mon 10:08:38 PM EDT May 2 Alexandra . . . ~here but mostly to listen, not having much to contribute to the topic but interested on others input, and also as the "Castle staff presence" for as long as I can... hopefully will cover the full discussion unless the sandman gets me~

Again just a little fyi

Mon 10:09:12 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . Topping from the bottom as i personally understand it, boy... is a kind of manipulation... that's not to say it's always sinister because it happens a lot in the natural meshing of some personalities, as i've seen.. but it's when a bottom attempts to hold a certain sort of control from under the Top.. *looking around..* is that correct?

Mon 10:09:15 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *slipping in and settling into a spot, listening to the quote, nibbling lightly at her lip as she considers*

Mon 10:11:47 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Negotiation time is much like the mood here of timeout. If the dynamic isn't set aside to degrees, if influence and desire to simply please and obey aren't allowed to be put to the side for a time. Then there can be issues of trust involved.

How do I fully trust that what I'm being told is the honest heart felt want, fear, dread, hope, excitement or creative juices; if I suspect that I'm being obeyed or served when I talk or ask questions."

Mon 10:11:54 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *hearing lapknight...listening to ella's response*

throwing this out...it may help to clarify a little the Topping from the bottom idea, lapknight...

so i selected this quote because i feel that it taps into a concern i have personally experienced as a bottom...and i have also heard bandied about in lifestyle circles...the idea that to boldly express one's desires, limits, concerns during negotiations may come across as "not submissive" appropriate behavior...that as bottoms/subs...there is a discomfort in stating clearly what is and is not acceptable to ourselves...that it may come off as bratty or Toppy to do so.

Mon 10:12:22 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . ...and... again as i understand.. to enter negotiation with One is a step above 'regular' interaction... you are not yet tied, but there is an established repore that can be any different shade of intimate.. *again looking around..* that's what i think..

Mon 10:13:51 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . so... how much say does a submissive have in negotiation? or going back even more simply what are the usual steps of how it occurs?

Mon 10:14:26 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *voice soft*
i think that the quote does hold true when speaking of negotiations between two who are either negotiating play time or those who are early in a developing relationship. They are still getting to feel one another out through the negotiations, so they have not yet begun an actual power exchange.... hence the Top is not yet the Top and the bottom is not yet the bottom. The dynamic between two can be determined during negotiations, but until it is put into action...it is simply talk. And without the dynamic established, there is no way to Top from the bottom.

*nipping her lip, brow furrowing slightly, not sure if she made any sense at all with what she said, lil shake of her head*

Mon 10:14:43 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *listening to Absolem's response*
so do You set the scene for a negotiation Absolem...like formally say something like..."We are negotiating now...please speak frankly and honestly"...or do You allow the negotiation process to be subtlety steered into such by Your Own modeling of frank honest discussion with one?

Mon 10:15:09 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *hearing both Absolem and the Princess..* that's i think what it should be, shouldn't it? a period where expectations and need to express our 'roles' should be set aside for honest exchange on a simply human level.. respecting what the other is unveiling about themselves and their boundaries..

Mon 10:15:54 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . made sense to me aisie, thank you pretty

Mon 10:16:57 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *listening to aisie*

i agree with your opinion, aisie...and you made perfect sense*lil grin*...that when in the negotiation process the Ppeople involved are just that...people...not two in a power exchange.

Mon 10:17:47 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Well I don't bang a scepter on the ground and declare that the time starts now. But I have known 2 couples that actually use a ticking timer, set a time and in that period they speak free. Mind you their dynamic is far stricter in nature than most I normally am close friends with, but to each their own.

Personally I enjoy talking over a meal or coffee, relaxing on a balcony or porch and just talking openly, of the past, the future and what the rest of the day is going to involve, or the evening more aptly most of the time."

Mon 10:18:31 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . lapknight... the bottom/submissive has as much say in the negotiations as the Top/Dominant. Ultimately, either one involved can terminate negotiations at any given time if they cannot come to an agreement or at least compromise where needed to allow them to develop trust before pushing any soft or medium limits that might have been established during the negotiation process.

Mon 10:19:55 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . and lapknight...in my opinion...during the negotiation process...because it is not a power exchange...nothing has been agreed upon...there is no question of who has power or not...it's about exchange of information...so the submissive has as much a right to give honest information as does the Dominant...in fact to do otherwise could prove to be detrimental.

Mon 10:20:12 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiling with a slight blush, voice soft*
thank you, silkieboy and ziggysis...

Mon 10:20:40 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *nodding to sweet aisie's words.. considering all words put forward in turn.. remembering...* for Daddy and me.. i probably wouldn't label a 'negotiation period'.. we were just talking and learning each other for such a while that everything was just understood through countless conversations...

Mon 10:22:13 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *nods thoughtfully* so in negotiation... is it that the submissive says what they want or dont want? or is it the dominant says what they plan and the submissive agrees or objects to specifics? how much is planned? what if its supposed to be a surprise? is it just the restrictions that come into play?

*apologizes for so many questions*

Mon 10:23:03 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *lil smile imagining a scepter to proclaim negotiation time*

Absolem...i like the idea of both a formal time ticker...i can see the way it would set the tone for productive focused exchange of info.

but i also see the simple exquisiteness in having a casual convo over food or coffee...

so i suppose it all comes back to what works for those involved.

Mon 10:23:40 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *agreeing with the ladies..* it's total equality, if you like.. the most dangerous thing would be to mask one's limits in the ill informed name of 'being submissive' and then wind up in a dishonest dynamic where wellbeing is risked.. so yeah.. *looking to silk..* what they said...

Mon 10:25:02 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . and bella...i see also how many convos exchanged over an extended period of time serves to define that which a single regimented convo would yield.

and lapknight...your questions are welcome and appreciated.

Mon 10:25:47 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiles warm as she listens to ellabella, nodding*
Yeah... it has been similar with Glory and i... He spent time simply observing me... watching how i interacted with others... watching how i grew while in a Mentorship... and i have been comfortable interacting with Him due to O.our past interactions and conversations. So when He approached me about the potential of claiming me, W.we agreed to take things slowly and allow things to develop naturally. W.we have never really negotiated, but through O.our conversations both in public and O.our non-theme conversations in red, W.we express little things that aid in developing the flow of O.our relationship.

Mon 10:26:19 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *hearing the boy..* negotioations can involve everything, not just restrictions.. things enjoyed, things of curiosity, things feared.. all as well as things are off limits.. it's good that you're asking these questions, because it's making me think about the different energies between negotiating an individual scene and negotiating a relationship...

Mon 10:26:44 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . so here's a question...what happens if the Top/Dominant begins a scene and no negotiation has been perceived to have taken place in the eyes of the bottom/sub? does the bottom/sub have the responsibility or even right to address such?

Mon 10:29:31 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *smiles warm hearing aisiesis..* it's a beautiful thing, when it comes naturally... i think that's a strong way of building a solid exchange or dynamic... rather than just knowing each other's limits, but understanding them on a deeper level, kind of? it just goes to show how broad and varied negotiations can scope..

Mon 10:30:46 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *definately wants to hear responses to Tzi's question there*

Mon 10:32:11 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *hearing all of silkieboy's questions, smiling, voice soft*
silkieboy... negotiations can included all of that...sometimes during a single conversation... sometimes over several conversations.... There are some who may have one write out all of their limits, what they enjoy, things they might like to explore, what physical or emotional issues they may have... *nipping her lip, her head canting slightly*... that is something very important during negotiations... both parties letting the other know of any health concerns that may have an impact on the types of play that they can engage in. Such as a diabetic not telling their Top that they are diabetic before beginning an extended bondage scene... or someone who has a heart condition not sharing that information before partaking in electric play....

Mon 10:33:31 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiles warm to ellabella, nodding*
Yeah... it definitely builds a stronger foundation, at least in my opinion... *lil grin, blushing soft*

*listening ziggy's questions, nibbling lightly at her lip as she considers it*

Mon 10:33:32 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *thinking about the question..* i think there's definitely a right... *pausing..* responsibility... yes... but i don't think many take full advantage of it.. for example, in a community like ours, we have all watched each other in several other exchanges.. it's not too hard to get a feel of each person's 'type' or desires... so i think people tend to delve right in more if it's a one off thing.. i'm not sure many would pause the moment to have a discussion on negotioations... i could be wrong

Mon 10:33:37 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Still working.

if a scene is started I would hope that some knowledge is given and a level of trust has been established. To simply hop on the wagon and ride is never a good idea unless those involved know each other well to degrees that will come into play.

Mon 10:35:33 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . ziggy.... i think that if there are any questions or concerns that come to mind as a scene begins or even during the scene, then the bottom/submissive has every right to address such... especially if they are concerned for their safety or it involves something that they are unfamiliar with....

Mon 10:36:24 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *listening to aisie's reply to lapknight's queries*

in vt....i have experienced negotiations taking place primarily through email.
in a formal task style as assigned by One.
in rt i found the same experience...it seems in this day and age with busy schedules...it is the easiest way for One to learn of another...and for one to take the deep reflection time to really express their wants, desires, limits in a manner that fits their demands of life.

Mon 10:36:40 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *listening to both ellabella and Absolem, nodding in agreement with T/them*

Mon 10:36:46 PM EDT May 2 *MrMan* . . . In my opinion yes, for whatever the reason really, its both's responsibility I think, but if something not thought of happens, then it must be fine to stop the scene, at least temporarily, and discuss things tzigane.

Mon 10:38:42 PM EDT May 2 *MrMan* . . . In the end, in VT, the bottom/submissive, can just stop accepting what is taking place and leave the scene. But I think its a good thing, to give talking a try first.

*Heads out, hoping for some sleep*

Mon 10:39:28 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . whats a good way for a submissive to speak up for negotiation then in such a situation?

Mon 10:39:37 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *hearing the replies in response to my query*

so aisie, you think it is appropriate for one to express even mid-scene that one is uncomfortable or unfamiliar with an experience as it is transpiring? in this format here...in vt...how would you go about doing such or recommend one do such?

Mon 10:41:26 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *lil nod hearing Mr.Man's opinion...wishing Him well as He departs*

Mon 10:42:55 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *nips her lip as she adds a caveat*
For any who observed or caught the echos of Glory and i last Wednesday, i mentioned in the Dungeon a little earlier that Glory guided me through the electrical play... He knows the limits that my rt has over my experience level with certain things, so He had no issue giving me an explanation of how the acupuncture needles would feel going into my flesh and an idea of what the electricity would feel like as the bared wire touched each needle and more so how it would feel to have the wire held to a needle.... because i felt confident enough to ask Him in red, He was able to make the experience that much more real for me and i was able to respond in ways that were more realistic for what was happening. If i had been uncomfortable with what He was doing at any given point, i know that He would have made whatever adjustments needed to make the experience the best for both of U.us.

Mon 10:44:07 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . oh, thats really cool, aisie, and says alot about Glory as a Dom, not that i am surprised

Mon 10:44:39 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . .
For scene negotiation when a great deal of personal knowledge of the other goes on, I've used the common red/green/yellow signals to slow or stop progress.

It is a common approach to make sure that checks are made and listened to, when history isn't there or even if it is but the scene may be opening new reactions, emotions, feelings etc and little knowledge of what to expect can be anticpated.

I used such when doing the chain on someone one night, whom I hadn't played with much before."

Mon 10:44:39 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . mm.. so... *listening to the ladies and MrMan..* is the responsibility to at the very least to have safe words in place? or do is it just trusted that the expression of real discomfort during a scene enough to send a message to the other? and if that's the case.. do we think it's easier for the Top to express a limit during a scene than a bottom?

Mon 10:44:57 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *nodding listening to aisie's wors*

so you have an established understanding with Glory that it is acceptable you send Him a red mid-scene if you need too...did i understand that correctly, aisie?

Mon 10:45:31 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . "not a great deal" even

Mon 10:45:53 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . i do like the three color system even more then a safe word, it gives you more options and more clear responses

Mon 10:47:36 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *lil grin as her caveat proves to be a fairly good example to answer ziggy's query, soft chuckle*

silkieboy.... in vt, it is fairly easy for a submissive to speak in red with the Top in such a situation and express their concerns... In rt, i think implementing the green-yellow-red safeword system might be best... by saying "yellow", the submissive lets the Top know that something isn't quite right and they either need to talk about what is happening or that something may need adjusted to keep from causing damage (either physical or mental)...

Mon 10:49:02 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . oh ella that is a good point you bring up...a safe word. my issue with safe words it that it calls an immediate halt to all action...which is great if that is needed...but not so great if one is merely...feeling uncomfy...or like they need info...or reassurance...which circles back around to the Top responsibility...as Absolem pointed out...to check in...to set into place words like red/yellow/green....yellow would slow but not necessarily stop a scene...it's a tidy solution...i like it...and have experienced it myself.

Mon 10:50:16 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *nods thoughtfully... actually more anxious now to have a scene that involves a negotiation first*

Mon 10:50:17 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *grinning as i echo aisie's words*

Mon 10:50:59 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . what sort of things would a Dom want to say in negotiation?

Mon 10:51:16 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *lil grin over to lapknight*

why does the idea of a negotiation process daunt you?

Mon 10:51:58 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *nodding along, hearing everyone..* definitely agree that it's easier in vt to both express limits and to have them respected.. that's why it's detrimental in ft to have real established trust... some people even expect references... before any kind of negotiation and scening...

Mon 10:52:47 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . just never experienced it, or perhaps not knowingly, tzi... i suppose our emails and convos are a sort of negotiation though

Mon 10:53:36 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . .
When I'm doing rope, there is a great deal of communication as well, while I know the knots, bindings, ties and wraps, I do not know the physiology precisely of the person's inner make up. I know the locations of nerve clusters, but perhaps she or he has had issues with muscle damage or varicose veins, or even nerve damage which creates issue. I often lean in and ask particular questions during the activity to verify that circulation, tingling, spiky pain or any pain itself that I ddn't intend, isn't occurring.

But part of the negotiations before hand I explain all of that, so they understand the importance of them telling me and being clear, that I do such because often to remove the bindings takes as long or longer in some situations.

Mon 10:53:56 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . they have been, lapknight. *leaving it at that for now...tuning back into the discussion...hearing ella's question...interested to hear a response from the Topside*

Mon 10:55:42 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . thank you Sir, and Tzi

Mon 10:57:22 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *soft chuckle, lil grin and blush at his response*

*grinning more as she shares the same thought of the red-green-yellow as Absolem*

*lil nod to ziggysis*
It's never been directly established or discussed, ziggy, but Glory and i have in O.our own way established such over time just through O.our normal interactions... During scenes, it is not unusual for Him to share the links to certain songs with me that create the atmosphere He desires and i know that He would fully expect me to express any concerns to Him that i might have whether before scene or mid-scene... It helps Him to better gauge my reactions and guide me accordingly.... and it means that no matter what He will keep me safe throughout the scene...

You could almost look at it from a different perspective.... Have you ever watched or participated in a Shibari demonstration? Have you ever noticed how the Rope Master pauses every now and again to speak with the submissive being suspended? He fully expects His bottom to speak up so that He can create something beautiful using her as His medium while at the same time never putting her in danger of being permanently harmed in the process. For Glory and i, it is similar.. W.we are always checking in with one A.another to make sure that W.we are both getting out of the experience what W.we desire from it...

Mon 10:59:31 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *lil grin, soft chuckle as her example lines up with Absolem's once again, thinking T/they must be of similar minds this Night*

Mon 10:59:44 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . .
Negotiations aren't always about scenes though as well, they can be of a contract, or a training period. They are about establishing understanding as well as limits and allowances that are agreed upon.

Tell Me that I can do anything. I might enjoy finding out how you do with wax of various temperatures, to see when the flesh is damaged so later I know what won't do damage. After all you did say anything."

Mon 10:59:46 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *my eyes shiting over to the clock*

*hearing Absolem's response...thinking about it*

so it seems to me...to kinda sum up this discussion...and the viewpoints shared...

the negotiation process involves the bottom/sub being permitted a place to candidly express their needs wants desires...and also perhaps to put into place some kinda way to leave a window open during scene time to express themself...either in reds vt...or with the use of a red/yellow/green system in vt/rt

the Tops/Doms can also have a place in negotiations to explain Their desires, needs, wants and to explain how and if They will be doing a check-in..as well as putting into place the structure of a safe-word or the red/yellow/green system

and that negotiations can take a variety of forms...casual to formal.

did i leave anything out..anything Aany want to add to the take-away?

Mon 11:03:03 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiles as ziggy sums things up, lil nod*
Sounds pretty good to me, ziggysis...

Mon 11:05:01 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *little grit of my teeth hearing Absolem about the wax... then nodding hearing the Princess...* that's a perfect breakdown of the discussion... it's been a long time since i thought about negotiations for a single scene, the way needs can differ depending on the context of the relationship..

Mon 11:05:03 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Nodding to aisie

"Very well described darlin. In working with rope, the communication is on going more so than most understand, and it is needed.

Mon 11:05:04 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *lil grin to Absolem, chuckling soft*
That would be the Sadist in You coming out, Sir.... and yeah, one who says the Top can do anything, especially without any limits set prior to that.... well, they should expect anything to happen...

Mon 11:06:06 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *smiles and nods at the summary*

Mon 11:06:20 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . And that is why I prefer it over a cup of coffee while relaxing, keeps it in a natural mood and vanilla element of communication, as we talk of kink, fetish and Ds

Mon 11:06:21 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *smiles to Him, blushing soft*
Thank You, Sir... just something i picked up on while watching a variety of videos involving Shibari...

Mon 11:06:54 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *wry lil grin*

yah...in my opinion...and i learned this the hard way....as a bottom to state one has no limits and no fears is a very dangerous place to put oneself. i don't recommend it.

Mon 11:08:54 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *grins, nodding*
i much prefer the casualness of learning one another and sharing the nuances of each other's fetishes and kinks and such over simple conversation without the pressure of the power exchange....

Mon 11:09:04 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . i'd think a Dom would be very suspicious of a no limits sub

Mon 11:09:28 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *grins to ziggysis, lil wink*
yep... not the best place to put oneself in...

Mon 11:10:28 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . .
Smiling.

"Well what you won't see in a video is when you have one bound nicely and their phone rings and it is the ONE number they have set to make noise. And you stand over them as they try to negotiate a home turmoil of the childish disaster type, while you hold the phone to their ear.

That darlin is reality...... and all the dynamics and tops and bottoms energy in the world... will never defeat a leaking water heater or a busted pipe or a kid that kicked another in the head while staying at his best friends house. So keep things real and in perspective and enjoy when and while you can, to the depth that you can. And remember to laugh at it all later.

Mon 11:11:09 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *snickers hearing of Sir's situation* oh dear

Mon 11:11:15 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *listening to aisie and Absolem and Ttheir views on how the negotiation process is best enjoyed in a low pressure kinda setting...thinking about that...liking it....saving it for later...with a lil grin*

Mon 11:12:46 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . *lil laugh in recognition of Absolem's post about phonecalls and scencing...yah...been there...shaking my head at the memory*

Mon 11:12:55 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *soft chuckle as she hears silkieboy*
Or the Dom could be a Sadist who relishes proving submissives wrong.... being more than willing to push a submissive to the furthest reaches of every type of play possible within Their own limitations and experience/expertise.... Of course, a good Dominant (even the most Sadistic) will be in enough control of Themselves to be aware of the submissive's responses and recognize when They might be pushing close to the edge of the one's true limitations.

Mon 11:14:15 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *grins, chuckling as He shares*
Oh my... that would be an interesting situation to be in... and yes, definitely something to laugh about later.... *nodding*

Mon 11:14:22 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *little smile, listening.. agreeing with the low key approach...*

Mon 11:16:57 PM EDT May 2 aisie lynn . . . *sighing soft at the time, feeling rt pull, disappearing into the Night*

Mon 11:18:07 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . well...i think this concludes another successful installment of Time Out. thank Yyou Aall for attending tonight. Yyou are of course welcome to stay and natter if Yyou like...but the formal discussion topic part of the evening is now done.

oh wait! *lil grin* shall Wwe make a plan to do this again next week?

Mon 11:18:37 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . be well aisie

Mon 11:18:46 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . And negotiations aren't about revealing all that are going to go on, but they are going to cover things that approach limits or new territory.

"I have a 5ft steel chain and I'm going to use it tonight when I have you bound. Is a solid statement to allow response to....... "

Mon 11:19:00 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Night aisie

Mon 11:19:42 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . goodnight and blessings, aisie.

Mon 11:20:44 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . *sends best wishes out behind sweet aisle.. looking to the Princess with a definite nod..* yes to next week, for sure!

Mon 11:22:49 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . well i'm up for volunteering to co-host again next week...and ellabella are you up to co-host with me? unless Aanother would like the opportunity to take a whirl at it? *looking around*

Mon 11:25:43 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . i'm more than happy to co-host again with you.. unless anyone else would like a turn, of course.. *smiles*

Mon 11:26:16 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . I thnnk you two are on a roll

Mon 11:28:22 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . thank you Absolem, Sir.. and thank you for adding energy to this project from the start..

Mon 11:28:53 PM EDT May 2 tzigane . . . alrighty then...next week Time Out again...ellabella and i will co-host. *big friendly grin*

for now...i must scamper away to rt for a bit...blessed night to Yyou Aall...and thank you, ella for being a lovely co-host....we'll be in touch.

*and gone*

Mon 11:30:51 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . bye tzi, and thank you all for the conversation, i learned alot

Mon 11:31:31 PM EDT May 2 Absolem^ . . . Night to you tzigane

Heading up the stairs.

Mon 11:33:27 PM EDT May 2 little ella . . . thank you for making it so easy, Princess...
it's been another great discussion night! i'm sure there will be conversation at some point in the Dungeon about prospective topics for next week.. *gathering myself up to follow suit and get going..* thank you for tonight..

Mon 11:34:14 PM EDT May 2 *lapknight* . . . *heads up the stairs too*

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