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“TimeOut is a Safe place where dominants and submissives(both m&f) can discuss ‘VT’ and ‘RT’ D/s topics.”
Mon 09:59:08 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *blinks up at the clock.. grinning to myself as the minute hand makes it's way...*
Mon 10:00:27 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *arrives with a grin*
Mon 10:00:28 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . welcome to Time Out! this room is home to U/us every Monday evening for discussion. the topics are selected each week based on what W/we as a community express a need or want to talk about. if there is something that Y/you would like to see discussed here, please make that evident. O/our goal is to establish this place as a haven for thoughts, opinions, ideas, without any consequential prejudice or judgement. the point of O/our coming together this way is for us to learn from each other, grow, and solidify O/our connections to each O/other as patrons of the castle..
Mon 10:01:10 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . *settles by Tzi again grinning and happy to be here
Mon 10:01:14 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . as has been said before, this room is intended for discussion only.. please keep 'physical' expression light.. please also be aware that the best kinds of discussions are the ones where W/we truly give and take, sparking passionate support or rejection, inspiring original thoughts and encouraging the growth of ideas. for U/us to have this, we need to maintain respect for one another. W/we are all safe to explore O/our mindsets here without reserve.. transcripts for tonight will soon be available in the castle archives; there are also past discussions published there too..
Mon 10:01:46 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~slips in and finds a seat, in her usual style up near the wall, by herself~
Mon 10:02:09 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . the topic chosen for tonight is:
*lifestyle mindsets vs. vanilla mindsets*
Time Out is home for this discussion from now, until 11.30pm castle time. Tzigane will open with an introduction, and then let's see where we can take this!
Mon 10:04:09 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . thank you, ella that was a lovely introduction!
so for tonight's topic...I would like to start off with a discussion question about what is the difference, if there is any, between lifestyle mindset and vanilla mindset in perceptions of those present?
Mon 10:05:16 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Oh, you may also refer to the "Timeout Rules" link above, in your introduction, ella. ~s~
~sits back to listen a while~
Mon 10:05:56 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . welcome, Alexandra. *s*
Mon 10:07:17 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . thank you, Alexandra.. definitely a good idea for all of to delve into that.. *smiles and gets to forming my words..*
Mon 10:07:48 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Steps in...Parks a lean...not sure for how long as is at work...
Mon 10:07:49 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~nods to both of them with a smile~
Mon 10:08:38 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Brb growls
Mon 10:08:42 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . welcome silk~n~steele...glad to have you.
and you two as well, lapknight and chally.
Mon 10:09:03 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~smiles and pats the spot beside me if miss steele is willing and can visit for long enough~
Mon 10:09:21 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~soft laugh~ Just so.
Mon 10:10:29 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~nods in greeting to A/all, Alexandra, Zig and ella~
Mon 10:12:23 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *gathering My own thoughts together about the differences that exist between lifestyle and vanilla mindsets*
Mon 10:12:30 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . If i may.....it is my opinion that the vanilla mindset is something that has formed moreso in the last few generations. If you go back to the 50's and 60's, the home dynamic is much closer to the lifestyle mindset than it is now.
Mon 10:13:25 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . When I proposed the topic I wasn't thinking so much a "vs" concept as just a simple comparison of the differences. Mindsets outside of this lifestyle are not necessarily "against" it, nor the ones in this lifestyle against anything outside of it.
It's simply a different way of seeing the world around us, and how we behave and interact within it depending on the precepts on which we are interacting.
For example, while be may have to behave a certain way, and assume a certain mindset in a workplace, or in a "vanilla" social gathering that would be different from how we are when in a lifestyle environment, it doesn't mean that behaviour and way of thinking is in opposition to how we might be when in a lifestyle situation. It's just based on different rules and concepts.
Mon 10:14:41 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . ok so for me, it's not so much that there is a difference between lifestyle and vanilla mindsets.. it's more like... a lifestyler sees what the vanilla sees, but just with a deeper layering... i need to think more to make that thought more clear... but for example... last week when talking about taboos, an opinion was expressed that 'taboo' is a vanilla term.. this is a clear separation... generally speaking, what a vanilla sees as taboo, a lifestyler considers a part of themselves.. it's how we make the determination... i.e. 'this is taboo because it's considered deviant behaviour' vs. 'this is taboo because i'm not into that particular fetish'... *thinks more*
Mon 10:15:11 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . thats a valid point, chally, the modern vanilla mindset is fare more obsessed with everyone being the same, and all having the same freedoms and same entitlement, and looking out for your own best interests above all
the bdsm values each position, focusing more selfless, being willing to sacrifice, working together in different respects
Mon 10:16:03 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . so, first off...in My opinion the biggest difference between the two mindsets is one of intention.
what can be done in the lifestyle is near identical to what can be done in vanilla...so the distinction between the activities...the thing that makes it different...what ever "it" may be...an action, a word, a style of dress...is the intention behind it.
and i find that intention comes as much from personal reflection and mindful choice as well as communication between Ttwo about the "it".
Mon 10:16:08 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Sneaks back in and settles in a curl beside Alexandra out of the way more to absorb then participate thus eve..
Mon 10:16:53 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . Yes, silkie,
and the Dominant of the household being respected and cared for, had a higher standing because They were the breadwinner
Mon 10:20:14 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening*
it is a good point You bring up Alexandra...and when ella and I proposed the topic...the asy way to catch what the heart of the discussion topic is to phrase with the "vs." in place...however...as You stated...Wwe are not seeking to set up a judgement paradigm here about lifestyle and vanilla mindset...more a compare/contrast or exploration type discussion.
and yes..*hearing ella and chally...grinning*
Mon 10:21:12 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *tumbling off Alexandra's words..* yeah.. the actual mindset doesn't change.. a Dominant or a submissive will still recognise D/s or any level of lifestyle patterns in any setting whether it's work, a vanilla gathering... but maybe the reflection of the mindsets does alter.. like.. in the Dungeon... no submissive would be surprised by a possessive or forward statement from a Dominant.. but on the street.. if someone came up and growled in your ear in passing... the instinctual effect might be different..
Mon 10:21:14 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . The 40s and 50s lifestyles were very gender-centric. Hierarchy was based almost exclusively on gender. Which is not the case in today's bdsm culture, which is not to say, there isn't still quite a bit of that "old-style" thinking. ~chuckle~
Plus, while in general the "wife" or female half of the household was considered to be subservient to the male, the other activities common within the beds lifestyle would not have been acceptable... even less so than they are in today's regular society.
Mon 10:22:30 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Err... BDSM lifestyle. ~chuckle~
Mon 10:22:53 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~listens with agreement to Alexandra~
Mon 10:23:36 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to lapknight....reviewing chally's words again too*
what you speak of sounds like a s-type view of the lifestyle mindset...which is a good point...it touches on the idea that in lifestyle the strive for equality is not the focus...but rather the strive for a power dynamic...from the s-type side...that being that they place One first in all actions...am I understanding you correctly?
Mon 10:24:48 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Listens...Nodding hear and there...agreeing...
Mon 10:26:05 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . *considers* not just the s-side, the D-side has as much a responsibility to those under Them, its just as self sacrificing in my view
Mon 10:26:16 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . very well worded Zig..exactly my thinking..the breadwinner needed to be kept free of stresses like caring for the household and of the children, it was Their responsibility alone to provide a household to be "kept"
Mon 10:26:35 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *lil grin hearing ellabella...imagining how a growl in My ear from a random pedestrian in the street would not be at all well received...but how in lifestyle setting from One...the same growl would be welcomed...wanted...craved*
Mon 10:27:57 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~looks at it from silkie's viewpoint~
True, They are the Protenctor and Provider, it is almost a symbiotic relationship, O/one cannot exist without the O/other
Mon 10:27:59 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . The concept of "taboo" is a good example, ella. ~nods~
I saw what fiery one had said regarding it, and her words support my view on it as well. The concept of something being "taboo" is more of a vanilla concept because it tends to think of this or that thing as "forbidden". Which is how "taboo" is defined... something forbidden, or illicit.
In BDSM society, this is not, or at the very least, hardly ever the case. At least not amongst those who have lived this style of life for many years and have matured within it. It is very "new" thinking in the lifestyle to think of anything as "taboo", because in the BDSM culture ideology, nothing is taboo.
Mon 10:28:57 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to lapknight*
it's true, lapknight...I think...the power dynamic is not a one-sided exchange in the lifestyle mind...your first words highlighted only the s-type side of the mindset...but yes...as you just stated...there is also a D-type mindset in the lifestyle....so I think.
Mon 10:29:30 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . i can see the similarities in a lot of practices from "those days" to D/s... but i would never call it D/s.. i think that mindset was the vanilla mindset at the time.. strong man, quiet girl.. but that's interesting to consider because then there's the question of how vanilla mindsets and lifestyle mindsets may not actually counter each other, but lean on each other instead... like... a man back then may have, and likely did, feel truly superior to "the wife" - now if this man was also a lifestyler, isn't it natural for that vanilla assumption to translate into his D/s practices? or... forget the man... us... anyone here.. would a feminist practice BDSM differently? maybe even without realising? i think there's a very blurry connection between the two mindsets...
Mon 10:29:38 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~nods as i hear ella and Zig~
situational mindsets....where the environment One is in changes how the mind words
Mon 10:33:25 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to chaly...musing a lil more*
so here's a question...I have heard Oothers speak of how Tthey are 24/7 lifestyle Ppeople how does that work in the context of the previous "growl" example....I mean...Oone can be lifestyle 24/7 with Ttheirs..but the vanilla world is big and overlaps the lifestyle...often without the vanilla world's conscious knowledge....how does that work with lifestyle 24/7 Ppeople I wonder?
Mon 10:34:21 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Never cared for the superior word...ponders
Mon 10:34:31 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . I would hazard a guess, ella, that the BDSM lifestyles in those days followed the moral and structural thinking of their vanilla counterparts even less than they might in the modern age. ~chuckle~
Especially those who dominant women and submissive men.
Mon 10:34:44 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~inserts a 'were' where it belongs~
Mon 10:34:49 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . well, i cant speak for other people, but i have always been keenly aware of the innate hierarchy in any group of people i am around, automatically ranking them all from Alpha to omega... not purposefully, it just happens
Mon 10:35:06 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . And make that "BDSM lifestylers".
Mon 10:35:52 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . i attended a munch where we discussed the idea of 24/7 and whether it was actually even possible. The group came to the conclusion that even though one may feel that their mindset is 24/7, that it really is not possible to live completely 24/7 within the Law, at least in the US (slavery is illegal)
Mon 10:37:32 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . How does the 24/7 idea relate to the different mindsets?
Mon 10:38:00 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *nodding along happily..* your post makes me think our mindsets are at a constant evolution, combining vanilla and lifestyle... i can see and understand the impression that in BDSM m, there are no taboos.. but none of us were born into this... for all of us, at some point before crossing over to the dark side.. *little grin*.. did have a sense of taboos. and i think that pieces of our vanilla, or pre-lifestyle, mindsets linger at whatever degree in our lifestyle mindsets whether we like it or not... i may be open and willing and even wanting a certain BDSM practice.. but my advocacy for it doesn't change my acknowledgement of it being taboo at least to some point.. that's why i think we are all just at different points of balance between the two mindsets..
Mon 10:38:07 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Ah, I see. ~nods~ Okay. ~s~
Mon 10:38:16 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~ponders Alexandra's question~
Mon 10:38:52 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to ella's thoughts*
I like that idea...that the two mindsets are not necessarily separate but connected...taking and giving...a dance between the two...it makes logical sense that to truly exist with any sustainability in this world that is neither truly all lifestyle or all vanilla...that there can be an overlap that strengthens the lifestyle and/or vanilla existence as is necessary or required at different times and in different situations.
Mon 10:40:27 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . *nods in agreement as well
Mon 10:41:09 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~nods~ Exactly Zig....Inside the home and within the dynamic between the "family" the 24/7 can exist, but when dealing with society/carreers, many times there has too be a vanilla flavor
Mon 10:41:30 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Well, if one is in a D/s relationship that is full time, based on who they are more than what they do, it certainly can be 24/7. And usually is, under those conditions.
Being a BDSM lifestyler with the particular mindset that is endemic to it does not change when you are in vanilla situations. It's the situation that changes, not you. If you are submissive or dominant in a D/s relationship, you do not stop being submissive or dominant when you are in vanilla situations. You may behave as is considered acceptable in that environment, but it does not change who you are, nor does it change the kind of relationship you have with your partner.
Mon 10:42:49 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . Alexandra, i think W/we are saying the same thing...~smiles~
Mon 10:43:30 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . so iasked what is different about lifestyle compared to vanilla...
most Uus here tonight seem to agrre that it is based on an understanding that there is a hierarchy of some sort in place that guides the actions of Tthose within the lifestyle.
so...what is the vanilla mindset than...one based in an idea of equality...an even playing field?
Mon 10:43:52 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Ah, I thought you were in agreement with your group who had concluded it was not possible, chally. ~s~ Pardon the misread.
Mon 10:44:55 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . That is not what it is in my view, Tzigane. ~s~
Mon 10:45:37 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . so what is Your view, Alexandra?
Mon 10:45:49 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~thinking on the term of "equality"~
Are the partners in a BDSM family not equals? i mean....without someone to submit to, a submissive is nothing, and without someone to Dominate, a Dominant is nothing...they need to have equal choice to support each other, is that not equal?
Mon 10:47:57 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *nods to Tzigane with a smile..* you always make good sense of my rambles.
with 24/7... i think... and i would be assuming because for me, being with Daddy, it's obviously not a 24/7 'practice', but i do consider myself submissive to Him 24/7.. anyway, i'm guessing, that merging into ft or *hearing chally* whatever T/two consider to be full time, means that both are actively making their dynamic seperate from the rest of their worlds.. because, again obviously, while you can dilute or strengthen the level of D/s in your life as much as you like, you can't change the rest of the world to cater to only that mindset.. so... i would probably say that full timers have an even stronger grasp on vanilla mindsets, because they have to design a world for them that coincides with it all the time..
Mon 10:48:48 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to chally*
*grinning*
I like your words, chally...the jog that line betweeen lifestyle mindset and vanilla mindset...
I think to a vanilla mindset...an s-type lifestyle choice may appear unequal to that of a D-type lifestyle choice
but in lifestyle mindset...yes...the D and the s...are two sides of one coin...Oone cannot be balanced without the other...Oone is out of equilibrium without the Oother.
*grin again*
Mon 10:50:28 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *the=they
Mon 10:50:28 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Talking with someone that is not lifestyle minded was very upset with my way of life thinking it a form of abuse as a woman should be equal and treated accordingly...
Mon 10:50:29 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~nods again~
Mon 10:50:49 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . When I was talking. ..
Mon 10:51:34 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *nodding hearing silk~steele*
exactly! *grin*
Mon 10:51:53 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . silk, i think that's because with a vanilla mindset, they cannot accept that one would give over so much control to Another
Mon 10:53:17 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Both types of lifestyle are far to complex to narrow it to a single comparison. ~s~
Which is why I have been using the term "mindset". The set of one's mind changes over time, with our experiences, lessons learned, information accumulated, etc.
The BDSM culture is based in the idea of honest openness, free diversity and wide tolerance. It is rooted in a world view that is based more on personal responsibility and ethical behaviour than fractured rules governed by prohibitionist factions.
Coming from a world in which we are taught from childhood that certain things are "wrong" and "forbidden" for whatever various reasons the different "factions" have, to a world in which those doors are flung wide open, can be, and almost always is quite a bit a culture shock, and takes some getting used to.
That is why I said, you will find the mindset that thinks naturally in terms of openness, diversity and tolerance more in those who have matured within the lifestyle for some time.
Mon 10:53:51 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . also... i think both mindsets share a taste for equality... but it's just the impression and expression of that equality... a vanilla could glance once and brand us all all as fetishists with a warped sense of gender roles.. but we watch each other and our exchanges, and the give and take is always there, the balance, the equality... it's easy to make hierarchy a natural part of our thinking in the lifestyle.. but i don't think it's anywhere near as simple as that, here or on the other side of the fence..
Mon 10:54:36 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . But yet it was acceptable way back when woman were supposed to be housewives...but now that is not acceptable? Minds change with the times...doesn't matter what lifestyle you live or how you live it...it is all based on what society deems as acceptable...
Or what is the "IN" thing...chuckles
Mon 10:55:18 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . *listens thoughtful*
Mon 10:56:08 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *listening to Alexandra...thinking hard about Her words*
no boxes....holistically speaking...but mores tempered and malleable based on time and experiences.
Mon 10:56:21 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . true as well...it all evolves, with many factors molding it
Mon 10:57:43 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Equality is a moot point, actually.
There is a natural hierarchy that occurs amongst any social group, as lap knight stated earlier. A BDSM lifestyler simply is more open to that and grows more aware of it and more accepting of it than outside of this lifestyle.
The vanilla world tends to suppress that sort of thinking as "unequal" or "unfair", or whatever... when it is none of those things. Such a hierarchy is not about equality at all.
Mon 10:58:24 PM EDT May 16 BlackLion . . . * listens*
Mon 10:59:54 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . I think we have a highly romanticized view of the 40s and 50s, probably based on those old movies. ~grins at miss steele~
Mon 11:00:40 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *hearing ella*
your words remind Me of an article i read where the definition of a D type was explained as being that of a role of "giver"...and the role of an s-type aas being that of a "receiver"...and that right there is a snapshot of what I think you are saying bella...that in the lifestyle...what may look to vanilla as warped...or *look to silk~n~steele* as abusive...is in the lifestyle mindset...perhaps a generous act of giving what exactly it is Oone most desires.
Mon 11:01:08 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~nods to Tzigane~ But don't get me wrong in that I feel there are no parameters on BDSM or D/s. Everything has parameters in order to have meaning. ~chuckle~
Mon 11:01:20 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~smiles seeing BlackLion~
Mon 11:01:41 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . welcome BlackLion
Mon 11:01:47 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . so maybe... *hearing wildness...* seeing as what is acceptable is deemed by society and the times we leave in... maybe the lifestyle mindset is actually the stronger of the two? there is no evolution.. One leads... one follows... it's the way it has always been and the way it will always be.. and *thinking more, having a bit of a eureka moment..* that is why we could all have started out as perfectly proper vanillas.. and changed as people possibly a hundred times over.. but the one thing we all share is the inability to deny this part of ourselves.. the lifestyle mindset... it's not the vanilla in our surrounds that determines how we translate ourselves as D or s (generally speaking), but rather, we are at a constant attempt to mould what we can of the world to make it 'fit' our lifestyle needs..
Mon 11:04:13 PM EDT May 16 BlackLion . . . * smiles back at Alex*......I. Was just thinking how My mothers ideal of what a woman should be has changed in the past few years and her out look is gone from that of equality to one that is very similar of what is thought about the 50's housewife.....
Mon 11:04:24 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . It took me a while to understand the BDSM lifestyle mindset, and recognize how it was different from the vanilla mindset I came into it with. ~s~ It's a difficult thing to define in neat, tidy words.
Mon 11:05:12 PM EDT May 16 BlackLion . . . Hello miss gypsy.....S.......
Mon 11:05:21 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~grins at BlackLion~ You mother must be much younger than mine. ~wink~
Mon 11:05:34 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~silently nods toward BlackLion~
Mon 11:05:59 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . please feel free to join in, BlackLion..
*nods hearing Tzigane..* we are all much too complex as individual beings for labels like 'warped' and 'abusive'.. one person likes strawberry, the other likes kiwi.. it makes sense that one would like pain and another would not.
Mon 11:06:02 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *shifting My eyes to the clock*
ok Ffolks...summary time...
here's My take-away based on Oour discussion tonight...
lifestyle mindset is not separate from vanilla mindset but rather subtlety and intricately intertwined in the minds of the Iindivuals that chose to have a lifestyle mindset...and that those Iindivdual approaches to lifestyle mindsets are based on foundation of tolerance for openness and diversity that evolve and change over time and with experiences and relationships.
*lil grin*
Aany care to add more to that summary?
Mon 11:06:30 PM EDT May 16 BlackLion . . . Not for sure of that Alex....but she did have Me quite young......S.......
Mon 11:07:41 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . sounds about right to me
Mon 11:07:57 PM EDT May 16 BlackLion . . . Sounds good to Me.....
Mon 11:07:58 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~smiles~
There doesn't always have to be a summarization nor a conclusion.
This is the type of subject that has to be left open because it is a state of mind one grows into, not just gathers information about.
There. That's my addition. ~chuckle~
Mon 11:07:58 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . i would agree with you Zig
Mon 11:09:26 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . It would be like trying to understand being gay by talking about it with a gay person. You have to BE a gay person to actually understand what being gay is about.
Mon 11:09:47 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *good-natured chuckle to Alexandra*
I'm partial to the summary. but of course...I do not expect Aall to accept this preference of Mine.
Mon 11:10:57 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . oh Alexandra...the topic of "gayness" as an identity is a whole nuther can of worms in My book. perhaps a great discussion topic?!
Mon 11:11:43 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . it's all about having an open mind and understanding and accepting that everyone's "normal" is different
Mon 11:12:03 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *hearing the summary.. nodding again..* yeah..i would just add... that every type of flavoured ice cream is more sparkly than vanilla... and i think even those that prefer the vanilla flavouring would not say no to some rainbow sprinkles at least some of the time.. *grins and sits back, very much happy with the energy we all gave*
Mon 11:12:04 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~soft laugh~ No, thanks. I've no wish to discuss gayness. It was just an analogy.
Mon 11:12:32 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . ooooh...very succinct, chally, yes!
Mon 11:12:51 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~chuckles at ella's analogy~
Mon 11:13:03 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *lil grin to ellabella*
Mon 11:13:47 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~waits for the end to be called to gather the transcript for archival~
Mon 11:13:56 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Returns work is hectic off and on here
Mon 11:15:40 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . *taking out a piece of ribbon*
alright, Eeveryone...thank Yyou for coming in tonight and participating the discussion. and thank you, ellabella, for co-hosting with Me so fantastically. would Aany like to volunteer to host next week's Time Out?
Mon 11:16:30 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~looks down and shakes my head at Zig's question~
Mon 11:16:55 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . I could ask the Mistress to put up a banner for volunteers. ~s~
Mon 11:17:38 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . Maybe there can be a sign-up page for various weeks... you put down your name for whatever week you think you'll be capable of hosting.'
Mon 11:17:55 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . thank you, as ever, for making it so easy to co host with you, Princess.
and yeah, thanks to everyone for chiming in *big smiles* co hosting is of course open to anyone and everyone.. jus sayin..
Mon 11:19:21 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . I can't I work those nights. .sorry
Mon 11:19:28 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . thank You ella and Zig, and Alexandra also for providing this discussion
Mon 11:19:32 PM EDT May 16 silk~n~steele . . . Heads to the D
Mon 11:19:37 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . I am happy to volunteer to co-host once again with ellabella who has previously shared with Me that she is happy to also comntinue to co-host this every Monday...I just also wanted to let it be known that Aany Wwho might wish to volunteer to host are welcome to do so...so if no One else steps forward...I and ellabella will co-host again next week...
going once...
*blink, blink*
Mon 11:20:03 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *thinks a sign up sheet is a good idea..* there are many castle dwellers that are some level of 'expert' at different subjects.. it would be great if people shared their knowledge on things they know the rest of us know less than them about..
Mon 11:20:06 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . *looks about*
Mon 11:20:57 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . A banner would actually get anyone coming to the D, not just the few people here now. ~soft laugh~
Mon 11:21:36 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . ooooh..Alexandra...i like the idea of a sign-up for hosting...perhaps there is a discussion to be had on how to arrange such.
going twice...
Mon 11:22:26 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . No discussion necessary. Just a page with the facility for putting in your name for a certain date, and any possible topics you have in mind or something you might be experienced or expert in. Easy. ~chuckle~
Mon 11:22:43 PM EDT May 16 chally . . . ~also stands and exits to the Dungeon~
Mon 11:24:34 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . I contacted admin about a banner and was informed that a BDSM specific Monitor would need to be involved for a banner announcing a TO discussion to be put up.
again...perhaps further discussions with the BDSM room Monitors should be pursued.
for now...let's just leave it at...next week...same bat time...same bat channel...Myself and ellabella will co-host TO next week in an unofficial capacity.
Mon 11:25:16 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . huzzah!
Mon 11:25:27 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . thank you Aall for being here tonight...really good discussion! *big warm smile*
Mon 11:26:28 PM EDT May 16 *lapknight* . . . thankyou Tzi and ella for hosting so regularly
Mon 11:26:41 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . I'm listed on the page, so I would be able to request that banner.
Mon 11:27:06 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . and a special thank You, Alexandra, for the work You have been doing to archive these last few weeks of discussion in TO....mking the discussions available for Aall Castle Ccommunity to review at Ttheir leisure. *dip of My head*
Mon 11:27:16 PM EDT May 16 little ella . . . *echoes the Princess' thanks again and happily heads on out with the others back to the Dungeon... mulling over thoughts shared..*
Mon 11:28:13 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~nods with a smile~
Mon 11:28:35 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . Alexandra...may i speak to You about the banner when paths next cross?
for now...My rt demands My attention.
*soft smile*
Mon 11:28:42 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . I'll see about getting that banner up and a page in place.
'Night, all. Thank you for an interesting discussion.
~exits~
Mon 11:29:16 PM EDT May 16 Alexandra . . . ~nods~ Of course, Tzigane. ~and goes~
Mon 11:30:15 PM EDT May 16 Tzigane . . . thank You, Alexandra.
blessed night Aall.
*gone*
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