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Mon 06:06:14 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Tonight's discussion will be on pet peeves in the D/s C/community. Here is the link:

https://www.omisspearl.com/nonfiction/14-used-topics-bdsm-forums/

Mon 06:14:08 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . One of Mine...'why are all sub men perverts or wimps?"

Mon 06:43:59 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Hello, Tenrik...how are You this evening? *WS*

Mon 06:45:30 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *WS* I am doing pretty well overall. I hope the same for you as well Gwyneth.

Mon 06:47:25 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . So far so good, Tenrik..hoping that tonight's discussion will be interesting..

Mon 06:48:30 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Good to hear then Gwyneth. I hope it is also, I read the reference and it is good read.

Mon 06:51:54 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I think so...like I said, I have My own pet peeves, as I listed..that's one of them, anyway...

Mon 06:53:54 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . It is a good on. Hopefully some sub males can elaborate upon it.

Mon 06:54:58 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Chuckling* That would be a plus..

Mon 06:56:19 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I agree, It would be great if more male subs would come in to talk.

Mon 06:57:15 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . #2 is such a pet peeve... *laughing* i hate seeing that

Mon 06:57:40 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Grinning* Hello, c hrissa and welcome..

Mon 06:57:47 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Hello chrissa.*WS*

Mon 06:58:24 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Oh, this one?

Please validate that my status as a submissive means that I should be mad at my Dom for failing to bend over backwards and give me what I wanted because my inherently fragile submissive self will explode if I don’t get a bedtime story/symbolic reassurance on demand/fetish activity whenever I want.

Mon 06:59:19 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *L* I should not be required to bend over backwards to prove anything.

Mon 06:59:31 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . yes. but i don’t like getting what i want all the time or feeling like i have much power as a slave. i also don’t like feeling coddled or like im on a pedestal.

Mon 06:59:36 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Yes!! Exactly, Tenrik and chrissa! Seriously, though...do submissives feel like that in reality or is it just one of the pet peeves?

Mon 06:59:42 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . *giggles*

Mon 07:00:24 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Here's another one of My favorites, "Are you actually… allowed to be in love in a D/s relationship? Like, am I less of a dominant for not holding my sub away from me with detached firmness? I’m a bad sub for wishing the dom I’ve fallen in love with would love me back?"

Mon 07:00:39 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . I’m sure some might feel that way, Lady Gwyneth Rose. but it’s unattractive in my opinion.

Mon 07:00:43 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I have found at times I do feel that they do though.

Mon 07:01:58 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I think there should at least be a level of love there. Why do W/we get together without some sort of attractions.

Mon 07:02:45 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . *walking in with my beautiful tiger, finding a seat to enjoy the conversation*

Mon 07:03:12 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . *arriving with my Bear...curling to His lap*

Mon 07:03:24 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I think that too often 'love' is such an explosive subject that W/we can't really decide..if I 'love' My submissive, it doesn't necessarily follow that I am IN love with him/her but I MIGHT be..does that make sense?

Mon 07:03:25 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Hello Zilla and rebecca.*WS*

Mon 07:03:44 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Warm smiles to M'Lord Zilla and His rebecca..*

Mon 07:03:48 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . i don’t think it needs to be romantic love, but mutual respect perhaps

Mon 07:04:21 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Good eve, LadyGwynethRose

Hello Tenrik

Mon 07:05:29 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Yes, it does make sense Gwyneth. As chrissa stated, that mutiual respects can make a big difference also.

Mon 07:05:54 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . Zilla and i have had that exact convo. How good it is to love Oone Aanother...does it have to be the "in love" kinda love, nah...but love, respect, appreciation is essential.

i like this quote..."normalize telling your friends you love them. tell them a lot. make it weird"

Mon 07:07:16 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good points...mutual respect versus 'being in love'

Mon 07:07:16 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . being in love and loving your partner are two different things.. ad each important, but they serve two different aspects..

Mon 07:07:31 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . How about this one? 'Only the way I express my kinks is right. Let’s have a lengthy, tone deaf argument on why a particular choice of actions makes you a nutcase, insensitive to people who are not involved in your personal life in any way or a poseur who lacks a true kinky flair."

Mon 07:08:28 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Oh Gods.. that one. Right there. That is my biggest peeve. For all things, but especially BDSM..

Mon 07:08:32 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . *grins* with those types, i normally shrug and walk away... because i know i won’t get a word in

Mon 07:08:42 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Well put rebecca.

Mon 07:09:13 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . *sets down*

Mon 07:09:22 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I usually walk away from those types. Not for Me.

Mon 07:09:31 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . ~slipping into the room and finding a seat... looking for my glasses~

Mon 07:10:48 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . I love how love and care are shown in D/s though... it’s so different than vanilla, and makes it more rich and special. Like, being loved through degradation or denial or high expectations... being loved with every whip mark or clawing or forceful command. Mm.

Mon 07:10:58 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Nods to the pup and to tiffany.*

Mon 07:11:14 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . (sorry if im delayed, juggling r/t)

Mon 07:11:29 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . **Warm smiles to T/those entering*

Mon 07:11:32 PM EDT May 17 lilith~~ . . . Moves over near my Master with a smile to all.

Mon 07:12:10 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Smiles as I see My lilith make her way over to Me.*

Mon 07:12:26 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I agree, while MY kink may not be YOUR kink, that doesn't make either MY kink or YOUR kink wrong...but trust Me, I have seen PLENTY of those types...ugh..

Mon 07:13:39 PM EDT May 17 lilith~~ . . . Stays next to him mostly here to listen and a hello to Lady Rose and many others, not wanting to interupt with individual hellos.

Mon 07:13:53 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . How about this one...Dommes are not REALLY strong women, they are just looking for a 'big strong man' to take care of them...

Mon 07:15:07 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Or, on the opposite end.."how can you be a submissive woman?Don't you believe in feminism?"

Mon 07:16:04 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Yes. Agreed.. well no, not agreed... you know what I mean I hope..

Mon 07:16:16 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . Both Bad ends.

Mon 07:16:39 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Both of those arguments are circular and spin out of control quick like.. and generally in the most destructive ways..

Mon 07:17:36 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . as a sub male... a little, a bit of a furry, not being a masochist, hating anything related to my butt, and having body dismorphia and yet lovely sexual aspects... my kinks are definately not the most typical and even in this sort of community i have found difficulties with acceptance too, though i have always tried to be accepting of others ones.

Mon 07:18:05 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . oh... apologies i was slow and didnt catch the change

Mon 07:18:42 PM EDT May 17 Odysseus . . . no worries pup. am more slow than you

Mon 07:18:43 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Okay, I have mentioned a few of My pet peeves...how about Y/yours? What pet peeves do Y/you have?

Mon 07:19:37 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . *settles back and listens*

Mon 07:19:40 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . A pet peeve of mine is that v/t D/s is not real.

Mon 07:22:01 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . VT can be real... and RT can be a fiction. It's completely dependent on those involved.

Mon 07:22:45 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . agreed, tiffany *nodding*

also the notion that if one is slave, they have no backbone or mind of their own. that they’re a doormat. *eye roll*

Mon 07:23:22 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *nodding thoughtfully* I have heard that so many times, that VT isn't 'real'...but as I have said before, W/we can be stirred by a great piece of music or a good book...W/who is to say that W/we can't be stirred by virtuality?

Mon 07:23:40 PM EDT May 17 lilith~~ . . . Very true Dark Traveler.

Mon 07:24:09 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . "Real" is relative.. "virtual" is no less real than real..

Mon 07:24:32 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . People mistake submissive, the name, for something it does not imply.

Mon 07:24:42 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . a pet peeve of mine is the public court of a chat room deciding Wwho is Wwho and Wwho is right and Wwho is wrong and making broad judgements on chat room attendees...and all that folderol without ever actually taking the time or energy to learn or know about a person and their reasons and rhymes.

Mon 07:26:42 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . RT or VT... O/one must get to know the people.

Mon 07:27:19 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I agree Dark Traveler.

Mon 07:27:41 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding again* How about the whole idea of a Dom is just an abusive male? Or a Domme is an abusive female? (another one that just grates on My nerves). Please note I am saying Doms/Dommes in general, not Those Who truly are abusive.

Mon 07:28:09 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . i may be a submissive, but im not Your submissive, and i have not agreed to submit to You

Mon 07:29:11 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . *flashing a grin to the pup*

Mon 07:29:27 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . I got you.. and agreed.. just in the same way that a submissive is not a victim..

Mon 07:29:27 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . rebecca, something like this? "Long, multi-thread discussion about gross misconduct and consent violations that fail to mention anyone, even by pseudonym and rely on whisper judgement, still falling into the trap of allowing serious illegality to be dismissed as “scene drama” while clinging to the value of the court of public opinion."

Mon 07:29:31 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . i have heard a lot of things like that as well LadyGwynethRose... when people speak of worms... or playing with worms... that there must be something wrong with them to be want to be treated that way... and there must be something wrong with the person who likes to give them that degradation... that is is abuse...

Mon 07:29:46 PM EDT May 17 lilith~~ . . . Nods to pup I know that people didn't like that I don't show respect to every dom, but I try to be polite to ones that I don't like but I don't show respect because it's being a hypericate to my beliefs.

Mon 07:30:26 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . In practice.. Dom/me that is abusive finds it difficult to find and keep subs. The brother/sisterhood protect each other by spreading the word about such types.

Mon 07:31:49 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . totally that Lady Rose!

Mon 07:32:34 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . in some ways, isnt it a consent issue? and consent is the cornerstone of this entire lifestyle. a submissive needs to consent to submit, and a Dominant needs to consent to dominate. No one is owed anything, noone gets to assume they are owed it, except for respect

Mon 07:32:58 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Nodding thoughtfully again at the answers.* Do Y/you think that in general the BDSM world gets more grief than other lifestyles?

Mon 07:35:04 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . then what lifestyles? furries? lgtbq? crossdressers?

Mon 07:36:07 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . I think that BDSM gets a fair share of grief, along with all the other lifestyle choices that are not built around Vanilla..

Mon 07:36:50 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good question, pup...

Mon 07:37:36 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I agree, M'Lord Zilla..anything that isn't strictly 'vanilla' is thought of as being either 'weird' or 'immoral'..at least it is in My neck of the woods.

Mon 07:37:51 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Now, how about this one??? ""But submissives are supposed to submit, they aren't really submitting if they don't let me do whatever I want, who cares if it's a hard limit" and its other half "I don't want to do this but a real sub would and now I feel like a terrible sub".

Mon 07:37:52 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . BDSM was written about in Abnormal Psychology Books for years LadyGwynethRose. I think W/we have seen a great deal of bad press and Hollywood has done nothing to improve that. Look at the 50 Shades of Grey Books/Movies.

Mon 07:38:58 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . It falls back to what You/ve said in the past LadyGwynethRose... all of this depends upon communication.

Mon 07:41:00 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Wait. Hold it. Did someone say Communication?

Mon 07:41:33 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . oof, nailing one of my core peeves there, my Lady


hate everything about that.... guilty someone into submitting or only submitting out of guilt.... terrbly unhealthy mentalities that will guarentee abuse and harm

Mon 07:41:51 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I totally agree, Communication should be the key.

Mon 07:42:00 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I agree, M'Lord Dark Traveler...and...*GASP* COMMUNICATION??? REALLY???? *Grinning hugely*

Mon 07:42:45 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Agreed, pup..guilt is never a good reason for submission, IMHO..

Mon 07:42:57 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . How about this one.."People in online threads who come in and say things that amount to "you don't really want X, you want Y!". For example, if someone asks for advice on rope ties for immobilizing their sub, it seems like half the time someone will reply with "well, when I want my sub to stay still, I just order them to." That's great for you! But when the OP is asking for advice on physical bondage, it's not helpful and just comes across as condescending. Or when someone asks for advice on buying police handcuffs, and someone says "don't use police cuffs; use leather bondage cuffs instead."

Mon 07:43:34 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Thinking that one REALLY pisses Me off*..

Mon 07:44:16 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Nods* Well put Gwyneth.

Mon 07:46:23 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Seriously, if S/someone comes to Me and asks Me about such and such being used for a scene I will try to show T/them to a website or a place where T/they can make the decisions but to say that T/they essentially are wrong for asking..well...like I said..

Mon 07:46:25 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . at least ask why before you dismiss the question... at the very least. its very rude

Mon 07:46:52 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . *Chuckles darkly*... A demonstration of Their understanding of what all of this is about.

Mon 07:46:59 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . If I want help in finding a thing... I will ask for help with the thing.. telling me about other things is fine.. but.. not helpful..

Mon 07:48:02 PM EDT May 17 rebecca . . . *soft nod of agreement hearing Zilla*

Mon 07:48:42 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . Better to admit to not having a good answer to the asked question than to talk about "What You Would Do"...

Mon 07:49:50 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . How about another one of My personal favorites..yes, I have a lot of personal favorites.."only submissives can be vulnerable in a D/s R/relationship."

Mon 07:50:22 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . How about when a dominant thinks you need to be saved from someone... when you have not asked to be saved...

Mon 07:51:07 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Wait.. What? No... anyone can be vulnerable at any time for any reason.. no one needs to be stoic all the time..

Mon 07:51:25 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Argghhh, lady tiffany...

Mon 07:51:34 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Argghhh, lady tiffany...

Mon 07:51:53 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Anyone can be vulnerable Gwyneth.

Mon 07:51:54 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . Vulnerable stands on both sides of the number line that is BDSM.

Mon 07:51:56 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Ugh, hiccups..sorry...and I agree, M'Lord Zilla.

Mon 07:52:00 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . i love when a Dominant is willing to be vulnerable with me, that shows real strength

Mon 07:52:28 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I think so too, M'Lords Dark Traveler and Tenrik...wouldn't it be awful if W/we A/all had to be 'on' all the time???

Mon 07:52:49 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I agree, pup...sometimes it helps the dynamic, I think..

Mon 07:53:44 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . There is no worse feeling than to fail the submissive that serves You. To fail in permitting them to be all that they can be. To abuse or lose their trust.

Mon 07:53:56 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Oh, god Gwyneth I hate having to be "on" al the time. I like a break ever so often with one to just talk.

Mon 07:56:22 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Right, M'Lords Dark Traveler and Tenrik??

Mon 07:56:58 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . W/we should examine what makes E/each of U/us vulnerable.

Mon 07:57:09 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . may i post a question to hear the thought in the room?

Mon 07:57:18 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . What makes U/us feel Vulnerable?

Mon 07:57:21 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . W/we are all only human and need that kind of connection as well.

Mon 07:57:43 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Of course, pup...please do...

Mon 07:57:45 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . Absolutely wolf pup.

Mon 07:58:08 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Sure pup.

Mon 08:00:02 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . apologies if this is... confusing at all. if a submissive reveals they have a mental health issue, and that they are on medication to balance it... is it alright for the Dominant to suddenly change how they interact with the submissive for fear of their issue, without discussing that change first?

Mon 08:01:45 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler . . . I believe that W/we talk about such issues to gain understanding and to explore what is required to change, if something is required to change.

Mon 08:01:51 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . That sounds like a very difficult question the wolf pup.... one that i would think..... might have the "couple" search for a kink friendly doctor to ask.

Mon 08:02:24 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . If the submissive brings an issue to light.. and the medication aspect... then that should be discussed.. as should the interactions the Dominant is/has/will take in the future.. and should absolutely discuss the change before making the change..

Mon 08:02:34 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Not confusing to Me pup, one of the first things I ask as well as state Myself is about meds and how they affect any mental conditions. I think it should be a given in any VT/RT situation.

Mon 08:03:08 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I think again, pup, it needs to be addressed in communication..the Dominant should discuss it with the submissive, much as a possible physical problem might come into play..I don't think it is ever right to 'change in midstream' without communicating first.

Mon 08:05:22 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . thank You all for the feedback

Mon 08:05:57 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I see that the time for TimeOut is drawing to a close...any last thoughts or comments? As always, I am enlightened by O/other's V/viewpoints...*warm smiles*

Mon 08:05:59 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Smiles* No problem pup, that is why W/we are here.

Mon 08:07:09 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . did the end time change? i thought it use to be till 9pm Castle Time

Mon 08:07:29 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . My last thoughts are that I can always learn new things here each week.

Mon 08:07:50 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I can talk until then, pup...*grinning* not a problem for Me...9 P.M. it is..

Mon 08:08:36 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . *grins* oh good, its just that oftentimes with putting my kids to bed i cant make it till about now

Mon 08:09:22 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . ~giggling~... sometimes... we just can't get enough of you LadyGwynethRose...

Mon 08:10:07 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Nods with tiffany.* That is very true Gwyneth.*WS*

Mon 08:10:41 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . How about this one...'you don't like pain? What kind of submissive ARE you?? " Or, conversely.."You don't give pain? What kind of Dominant ARE You????"

Mon 08:12:12 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Not always just about pain. There are many different aspects of BDSM to learn about.

Mon 08:12:12 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . ugh.... that one has been my struggle for years

Mon 08:16:19 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Let's open that up a bit...if Y/you don't do xyz, Y/you aren't a real submissive/Dominant...what kinds of things do Y/you hear?

Mon 08:17:17 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . i am not a lover of pain either.... that doesn't mean i don't like sensations... such as paddling... spanking... pinching.... but cutting? no...needles?... no...

Mon 08:18:25 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . i think any viewpoint that is purely excluding is by its own nature biased and unfair, and generally wrong.

Mon 08:18:36 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . The pain I personally feel every day is not one I would put upon anyone one.

Mon 08:18:46 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Well my favorite "insult" ever.... was "Satin Bondage Queen"

Mon 08:20:19 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I remember when I was in a scene a few years ago, I was told that I wasn't 'spanking the submissive correctly'..

Mon 08:21:29 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . This one is for the submissives...how do you feel about being micromanaged? Do you enjoy that or would you rather....not????

Mon 08:21:31 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . This one is for the submissives...how do you feel about being micromanaged? Do you enjoy that or would you rather....not????

Mon 08:21:33 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Nods to Gwyneth.* I have heard similar references as well.

Mon 08:21:45 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . DANG it...sorry for the hiccups...net is going nuts tonight..

Mon 08:22:55 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup . . . that needs to be something agreed to, just like everything else

Mon 08:24:06 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . *slips in just quietly*

Mon 08:24:32 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . *hugs the latecomer*

Mon 08:26:10 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *A quick nod to the fairest one.*

Mon 08:26:34 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . *hugs the pup and curls up with him to listen...soft wave to Tenrik*

Mon 08:26:38 PM EDT May 17 Zilla . . . Crud. Must depart. Thank You LadyGwynethRose for hosting. Agreed on all peeves thus far..

Mon 08:27:44 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Take care Zilla.*S*

Mon 08:27:55 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . personally, i dont like being micromanaged. i prefer to know my guidelines but have freedom to act within those parameters. but i can imagine others dont feel that way

Mon 08:29:17 PM EDT May 17 Odysseus . . . Night all

Mon 08:29:30 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Night Odysseus...

Mon 08:29:42 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Be well, M'Lord Zilla and safe travels to You..*warm smiles to fairest one* All right, I have talked about My pet peeves, which Y/you can see are many...the main one being that submissive men are either wimps or perverts or that owe Me because I am their Domme..A/anyone E/else have anything that REALLLLLLY annoys Y/you?????

Mon 08:29:49 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . i love being micromanaged in certain ways. i don't really know if i can explain it....
Like in a formal conversation, i don't even like to be able to breathe without permission, basically *soft laugh* i love to be sort of pliable and let the Dominant mold and tweak what He/She wants, but i'm definitely not ok with micromanagement in ALL aspects or in my vanilla life. i'm not a quite or shy person about most things, so not giving me any autonomy or allowance for my own opinions or was of doing things is sometimes hard.

Mon 08:29:53 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Goodnight Odysseus, and do take care.*S*

Mon 08:30:01 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Be well Odysseus...safe travels...*warm smiles*

Mon 08:32:38 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . for anyone to be a submissive, whether male or not, takes phenomenal strength of will. there is nothing wimpy about it at all. to willingly bear that kind of scrutiny, pressure, strain.... how is that in any way weak?

Mon 08:34:35 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . That is not any sign of weakness to Me pup. Hell, I've had My own set of things said to Me as well over the years My dear friend.

Mon 08:34:58 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . My thoughts exactly, pup...the other one that I have heard is that submissive men are looking for a Sugar Mama...I am sure submissive women have heard much the same thing about their Dominants.

Mon 08:36:16 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . i think the thing that angers me the most to take action is predatory behavior towards the ignorant

Mon 08:36:22 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Or Dominants hearing that they dont do enough or not acting Dom enough. W/we all need some time off to just get through things VT/RT.

Mon 08:37:48 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I agree, M'Lord Tenrik and pup..it is more than annoying, it is untrue..

Mon 08:38:38 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . There is a kink about men who like to give money to dominant women... i was a little surprised to learn that..

Mon 08:39:58 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Yes, very untrue about Dominants and submissives. W/we are all here to learn as well as connect however W/we can. Even just that should be enough.

Mon 08:40:01 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . they call them paypigs...

Mon 08:40:06 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . has anyone ever seen submissives preying on ignorant Doms?

Mon 08:40:28 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . There is, lady tiffany, and for them I say fine and dandy but not all submissive men should think that about all Dommes...I Myself had to disabuse tenderheart of that very notion and let Me tell you, that was one long journey.

Mon 08:40:35 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *L* Nope, I do not pay.

Mon 08:41:05 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Many times, pup, particularly the new Dominants..it is like they smell blood in the water..

Mon 08:41:24 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . Looks in for a minute......I do not want a weak submissive and do not view any submissive as being weak it takes a lot of strength and awareness to be a submissive and that is one of the first things I tell ones is you need to be strong to handle who and what I am....

Mon 08:41:34 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . No Tenrik... a paypig would pay You...

Mon 08:41:50 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Oh yes pup. I have seen it very much the same as submissives also.

Mon 08:41:54 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . paypigs and FinDoms, yeah, thats an odd one to me... i dont mind if thats your thing... sure... but i can see easy abuse if the Dom requires that of desperate submissives and coerces it....

Mon 08:42:24 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . i've seen O/ones being rude to ignorant Doms in here before pup....instead of taking the time to try and help. Is that what you mean?

Mon 08:42:24 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *L* Thats very true tiffany.

Mon 08:43:21 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . abuse is abuse.... it can go any which way

Mon 08:43:24 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Warm smiles to M'Lord BLACKONIV*

Mon 08:43:43 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . *smiles hearing BlackLion....holding His gaze just briefly before turning my attention back to the many conversations*

Mon 08:43:54 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . but no i didnt mean just rudeness, fairest... im not sure exactly how it would work though

Mon 08:44:04 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Warm nod to Blacklion.*

Mon 08:44:16 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . *Smiles and waves back to M’Lady Rose....*

Mon 08:44:24 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . evening, BlackLion

Mon 08:45:01 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I could say a lot pup, but this isnt the forum for that though.

Mon 08:45:12 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . pup, I remember seeing a new Dom in a scene in RT...He was practically mauled by some of the subs and He was honestly worried about Himself which He should have been...I believe the DM stepped in to give Him some room to breathe..

Mon 08:45:22 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . *smiles at the girl*

*nods back to Tenrik*

Mon 08:45:54 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . Hello pup...

Mon 08:47:03 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . RT i only see support for new Dominants and submissives.....maybe i'm just very lucky to have a great community. And, of course there are small houses and O/ones not involved in the lifestyle and when those Dominants or submissives cause issues, it's still widely spread news to help us A/all try to stay safe.

Mon 08:47:17 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . It is kind of interesting pup... my daughter sort of accidentally fell over one... and is in that kind of a relationship... which i have watched... and even participated in.... she does not abuse the situation... he pays for her pedicures.. and she sends him pictures of her feet...

Mon 08:47:31 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . W/we are discussing pet peeves in D/s, M'Lord BLACKLIONIV...have You any?

Mon 08:48:15 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . she also dominates him... and supplies him with a rather talented degradation... he is sweet as can be.. she has showed me some of their conversations...

Mon 08:49:48 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . we even sent him pictures of my feet as well... ~laughing~ mine were a freebie... he didn't pay for my pedi!

Mon 08:50:08 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . You aren't talking about a professional Dominatrix, tiffany....right? Just One who has financial support from Her submissive like what the word was up there, "paypig"...which i hadn't heard and i think is a horrible name.

Mon 08:50:33 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . No fairest one... not a professional Dominatrix...

Mon 08:50:38 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Grins to lady tiffany* but that's the whole thing, he is agreeing to this willingly...she isn't forcing him to do it...and I say good for her and good for you as well!

Mon 08:51:17 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . Yes , I guess one of My biggest is how a new person will try to come into the scene in Rt or Vt and is trying to figure out if they are truly submissive are just swamped by O/others trying to tell them what they are instead of trying to help them find out what they are

Mon 08:52:22 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . you are doing better than I am then tiffany. My son is a switch, boy that sure changed how I talk with him these days.

Mon 08:53:12 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . if its mutually consented that more power to them both.

Mon 08:53:29 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Nods to Blacklion.* I agree with You on that.

Mon 08:54:13 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . Paypig does not hit me as a horrible name.. but then again i have topped worms... and called them way worse... knowing they love it. Think of it as a pet name.. a love name.... they LIKE being called that so it is a loving gesture...

Mon 08:54:20 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . Chuckles hearing Tenrik......My flatemate’s son came out to his mother the other night and loves being objectify......and have his face sit on ......that was a interesting conversation I was dragged into.....

Mon 08:54:52 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . Good point, M'Lord BLACKLIONIV...I will help them if asked, or if I see they are being set upon, I may have a quiet word but I think the key term is 'helping'.

Mon 08:54:57 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . i don't mind words between T/two in a dynamic......just wouldn't want anyone else.......ever.....calling me 'most' of those names.

Mon 08:55:19 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . very much so wolf pup...

Mon 08:55:49 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . And that, fairest one, goes back to...wait for it...COMMUNICATION...*Grinning hugely*

Mon 08:55:55 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . pet names definately differ person to person, and it also differs who it comes from. my Dom can call my a slut, or a trusted friend, but not just anyone

Mon 08:56:43 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *L* Yes, I had a very interesting conversation with My son as well about some things as well. But hey, to each their own thing at least.

Mon 08:57:55 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . I agree Tenrik....*Smiles*

Mon 08:58:01 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . *grins nodding to Lady Rose* Yes Miss.....very much so....the big C is ALWAYS the first rule, i'd say.

Mon 08:58:59 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . I used to call My wolf slut...but no one else had better! *Laughing*

Mon 08:58:59 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . my son is also interested in the lifestyle.....or was **little laugh* long story, but he and i have had many very open conversations and he always asked me those kinds of questions if he has them.

Mon 08:59:01 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . *looks over to the girl,amd gives her a knowing smile*

Mon 08:59:11 PM EDT May 17 ^chrissa^ . . . *nodding*

Mon 09:00:26 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *L* Blacklion, My niece called Me on night asking about getting fisted. I told her all it included. *L* she called me back saying it went great.

Mon 09:01:08 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . *smiles hearing the Lady* and a lucky one he was i bet

Mon 09:01:25 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . Hey I am glad she at least called to ask about it and how it should be done.Tenrik...

Mon 09:01:51 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . I think it good fairest that they can come to U/us with thoose questions at least.

Mon 09:02:15 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . he thought he was, pup...he and I had a very loving and special R/relationship...all right, enough of that...now, pup...*Grinning to him..* it is Time for U/us to close TimeOut..are there any last thoughts?

Mon 09:02:33 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . ~returning from doing a chore~ .. she also sends him her socks...

Mon 09:03:09 PM EDT May 17 Dark Traveler`s lady tiffany . . . It was a nice evening... thank you everyone for attending...~s~

Mon 09:03:24 PM EDT May 17 the wolf pup ~ . . . thank You for going this late, my Lady

Mon 09:03:27 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Yes, I am glad she did call Me Blacklion. she said she even squirted. I had to ask if he did anything special to do that. she said no, it was all her.

Mon 09:03:51 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . i agree, Tenrik.....and when he was younger i thought it was VERY important to let him know that all sex isn't like what he was seeing on the internet back then....fisting included, like You were just mentioning. i explained kink and differences and SSC and all of it when he was very young.

Mon 09:04:55 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Warm smiles* I want to thank E/everyone for attending tonight...I loved hearing about O/other's pet peeves...highly enlightening and very refreshing..

Mon 09:05:01 PM EDT May 17 BLACKLIONIV . . . It has been a very nice and informative conversation thank Y/you all for a good work break.....

Mon 09:05:07 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Yes, it is about that time. I do thank You so much Gwyneth, ths has been yet another great TimeOut. Again, I so thank You for these times in here *WS*

Mon 09:06:54 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . Yes, I so agree Fairest do not try anything seen on the internet without asking someone first. I have grandchildren that will come to Me soon now as well.

Mon 09:07:02 PM EDT May 17 LadyGwynethRose . . . *Warm smiles to A/all* I hope to see Y/you A/all next week..*Then, blowing kisses, rising and gone for now..*

Mon 09:08:31 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Warm smiles* I thank You as well LadyGwynethRose and do look forward to next week. Take care and do stay safe.

Mon 09:09:38 PM EDT May 17 fairest~one . . . Thank You, Lady Rose *warm smile with a nod....waving to A/all as i slip up to the D for a bit*

Mon 09:10:25 PM EDT May 17 Tenrik . . . *Heads off to the D awhile.* I thank Y/you all for the great conversations.

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