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Monday, May 23, 2016

Mon 09:58:17 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *settkes in with a grin.. looking at the time..*

Mon 09:58:49 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . *slides in just after her* Cheater!

Mon 09:59:25 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . *ahems and puts on my professional face*

Mon 09:59:49 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . uhuh.. *smirks and winks before clearing my big girl throat*

Mon 10:00:11 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . hi E/everyone... welcome to Time Out.. again! W/we come together here every Monday night to discuss various topics relating to BDSM and it's role in O/our lives, not just as individuals, but also as a community.. this is, as it has always been, a safe place for A/all to express their respective opinions.. giving and taking and learning and growing... that's the aim...

Mon 10:01:06 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . enters looking around

Mon 10:01:13 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . please keep physical expressions light while W/we are in here.. the purpose of this room is to gather us up without the attaching impressions that W/we establish in other places.. W/e are here to have a conversation, connect... a discussion between minds rather than exchanges between titles.. i urge Y/you all to read over the Time Out room rules.. there is a link above U/us.. Y/you will also find up there a link for the archived discussions, should A/any be interested in looking over past topics. if there are any questions to an official capacity, please see Alexandra, heather, or the Dungeon Master..

Mon 10:02:24 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . the topic chosen for tonight is:

*non-sexual BDSM*

Time Out is home for this discussion from now, until 11.30pm castle time. Tzigane is unable to host tonight, so i'll be trying my best to fill her big, pretty shoes, while lapknight makes his debut as co-host... please take a moment to reflect on Y/your first thoughts on the subject... here are mine...

Mon 10:03:35 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . welcome, sebby..
ok... *smiling..* so... i know that this particular topic has the potential to tumble down a few different roads.. my personal first thoughts spiked into two trails of thought.. is BDSM sexual in itself, even without the inclusion of a sex act? are the two practices (BDSM and sex) separate from each other, or not?

and.. why would A/anyone want to leave sex out of the equation? in regards to this second avenue, i found an article that had some interesting insights (if A/any would like the link, please tell me) and one thought stood out to me. i would love to hear what E/everyone thinks of this...

"Erotic Dominant/submissive role-play requires tension and mystery. By encouraging sexual attraction but denying it's release, the Dominant restricts the relationship at a certain stage of emotional growth and thus prolongs the arc of the submissive's infatuation and idealization of the Dominant."

Mon 10:04:01 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . Please remember and be assured that all statement, opinions, and views in Timeout will not be used against you in any way under protection from the staff, so feel free to be honest and upfront. This is a safe zone.

Mon 10:05:04 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *nods in agreement with lapknight..* yep, very important to know that

Mon 10:06:45 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . well..serving can me non sexual BD/SM bringing drinks..and such

or physical no sexual Domination could be another version..

Mon 10:10:45 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . Well, i think as to your first question ella (you gave us so many to start with) is that in my opinion BDSM is a sexual act. Not necesarily saying that it needs to involve intercourse or other standard "sexual acts", but taking what it stands for... Bondage Dominance Submission Sadism Masochism... those all describe fetishes or what are considered fetish lifestyles. That makes them sexual acts even if not in the classic sense.

So are we talking about BDSM that excludes classic sexual activities ? or whether or not BDSM in its purest form contains them or not?

Mon 10:11:39 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . BDSM gives us pleasure, so from that point of view, i say its a sexual act

Mon 10:13:23 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . i didn't even think of simple service, sebby, thanks! when it comes to servitude.. i guess that the gratification is mental and emotional.. there could be an established sexual connection, or not, but it is still a BDSM practice...
as for the physical stuff... i agree... that is another version.. like.. a session of flogging... being tied up, just for the sake of it... any kind of play, just without a sexual element. so you would feel it 'normal' (for lack of a better word) to be physically dominated without a sexual twist to a scene?

Mon 10:15:40 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . well one physical session i enjoyed and still do, is that i love wrestling.. being physically Dominated is arousing for me..and it only goy sexual when The Domme desired it..

Mon 10:17:29 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . that connects to my point, sebby, these acts can give what i woulf call sexual pleasure to the right individual, whether or not they are typically sexual by normal standards

Mon 10:18:12 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . In public events and dugeon sex is not allowed. Of course doing it some place else is half the fun.

Mon 10:18:29 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . i think i agree with you to a certain degree, lapknight... i can definitely see why you would view any for of BDSM as sexual in nature... most people would, i'd say... but even from that point of view, sex itself, or sex acts, is/are a seperate expression.. if you were in a dynamic that did not include sex, but did include all the other physical/mental/emotional elements of BDSM.. would you be satisfied? is sex integral, or just icing on the kinky cake?

Mon 10:18:30 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . welcome violet flame

Mon 10:19:26 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . I should say often not allowed. I think Leather Odysseus allows a room for sex when I was there but Black Rose to my knowledge never has.

Mon 10:19:48 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . hello violet flame

Mon 10:19:54 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . A hello to each wanting the conversation more then hellos.

Mon 10:20:01 PM EDT May 23 Tzigane . . . *peeking in for a mo*
In My state sex is permitted. It varies in US by State.

Mon 10:20:29 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . that does raise a good point violet flame, and connect to what ella just said.

much of BDSM, especially in the profesional world explicitely excludes outright sexual activity, and i dont think that detracts from what goes on.

now as for personally being in that sort of a dynamic that permanately excludes such thats another matter.

Mon 10:21:13 PM EDT May 23 Chaotic*Desires . . . BDSM can be very sexual and intense but it doesn't have to be sexual at all. It depends on what is occurring. And perhaps the circumstances of the actions.

Good luck ella and lapknight in tonight's discussion. Im sorry I can not stay further to discuss the topic.

Mon 10:21:49 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . I have no idea about the state Tzigane. Each separate public events has there own rules and both of them with opposite rules were in the same state.

Mon 10:21:58 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *smiles..* thank you for joining us, violet flame..
i think an important thing to consider is.. what defines a sex act? for some people, kissing can be sexual... for others... only intercourse itself counts... there are some.. that can orgasm without the physical motions that you'd normally associate with climaxing...
violet flame... why do you think sex is not allowed in many rt dungeons and planned events?

Mon 10:22:49 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . the hint of sex often makes the experience even more intence than just sex...

Mon 10:22:57 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . thank you Chaotic Desires, sorry you cant stay to join us

Mon 10:23:47 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *smiles bright at the Princess' flash of presence.. listening as words fill the room..*

Mon 10:24:20 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . First reason why I would say std's.
Second reason why maybe so the line is clearer on if the place can be held responsible for something like rape if it occours?


I can easily cum from pain. Don't need sex for that at all.

Mon 10:25:46 PM EDT May 23 Chaotic*Desires . . . *hears ella question to My soul sister. Thinking the definition of sexual act is so very widespread with so many kinks these days that really it can't be placed in a box with "said defining"
Smiles to those present before rt demands Me and I fade*

Mon 10:26:35 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *dips my head...* thank you for your words, Miss Chaotic Desires..

the words Miss Chaotic Desires spoke, i think, are very true... the arrangement is really dependent on circumstances.. actions.. intentions... which makes me think again to the quote i presented... withholding sex... how do we see that? how would we all fare without sex on our play?

Mon 10:27:28 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . Here only sidelined (busy with other things)... just to interject, regarding dungeons that do or don't allow sexual activity (intercourse/penetration).

As far as I know, it is primarily the prerogative of the dungeon owner, within, of course, the laws of the country/state. A state may allow sex in certain places, but a particular dungeon owner in that state may not. For example.

Mon 10:27:29 PM EDT May 23 Chaotic*Desires . . .

Mon 10:27:47 PM EDT May 23 Tzigane . . . And is orgasm considered sexual if it is induced by pain? Certainly it can be considered a result of a BDSM exchange.

*slipping back out as rt demands...*

Mon 10:27:49 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . *nodding at Chaotic Desires final comment* that is what i was talking about, so lets focus for now on simply BDSM where outright sexual classic are excluded.

Mon 10:28:19 PM EDT May 23 Chaotic*Desires . . . *grumbles at refresh and picks up My dots surrendering to rt in a non sexual manner&

Mon 10:28:45 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . For me D.s. is almost easier without sex. It's one reason that I enjoy playing with females. For me when I play with a female dom sex is out of the quation. Can as I said still cum from pain. With doms, that's a lot harder to negoate.

Mon 10:29:47 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . Makes sense Alexandra. I never even consider state laws because the dugeon places for the most part that I've been to say no to full penetration.

Mon 10:29:56 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . could you go further on that, violet flame? why do you say that is a lot harder to negotiate with Male Doms to have a nonsexual DS experience?

Mon 10:31:15 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *listening to violet flame and nodding..* yes, of course.. health and safety would be a big reason.. *more interested in what she said about her own gratification...* i think it varies for me.... i certainly don't need typical sexual pleasure... for me, it's more about the attention it represents... i become sexually aroused when it comes to pain.. mental power... all sorts of weird and twisty stuff... and.. if i'm being honest, sexual expression does heighten it all for me in some circumstances.. but in saying that, most of the time.. if the play i am involved in is effective, there really is no more room for sex, because i would already be completely sated..

Mon 10:32:14 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . Before I get accused of male bashing, in my eexpirence most males want some sort of sex even if it's a blow job when they play. I didn't say all I said most. With the domant woman that I've played with in either realm, sex doesn't really enter into it.

Mon 10:33:05 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . thank you for clarifying for us, Miss Alexandra.. *listening to violet flame again..*

Mon 10:33:21 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . this is a bash free environment, and what you have experienced is what you have experienced, i was just curious

Mon 10:34:11 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . I just didn't want to sound negative lapknight.

Mon 10:34:47 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . I don't engage in BDSM for the sex. I engage in BDSM because I am a submissive who needs control from a dominant. That is what drives me as a person. It's in intense need I have to feel whole - power exchange.

Sex is all well and good - but as long as I had the power exchange I have currently, I could survive without 'sex'.. I could not survive without the power exchange.

Sex can enhance physical play...a nice beating...a good, hard fuck..

but.... if I don't have Him keeping me down in the place I thrive, the rest..the physical..would mean nothing to me.

I'm also a bitch in heat at times..~slight smile~ so, of course I want sex...but I could get kinky sex and my ass spanked by anyone.........it's the -power- I crave... the release to Him..

Mon 10:34:55 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . no worries, violet flame *reassuring smile*

Mon 10:35:05 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *hearing the question Tzigane posed about whether a pain induced orgasm is considered sexual* i guess that would be subjective.. i would say yes, albeit non traditional.. *thinking more, considering genital flogging..*

Mon 10:35:48 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . thank you for sharing that, heather, truly

Mon 10:36:39 PM EDT May 23 violet ~flame . . . Nods to heather, I've often said that I can live without sex but not D.s.

Mon 10:38:24 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . So, BDSM without sex happens all the time, for scads of people........ those who just want humiliation..those who want to be denied..those who just want to be beaten... those who are married and have an 'arrangement' (known or unknown) where sex is off the table...people who only crave pain...without the need to get off........... for many BDSM is about the power exchange... and sex is just a nice side dish..and for others...it's all about the sex...and they don't understand it outside the bedroom...or outside of it ending with an orgasm.....

Mon 10:39:00 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . welcome, heather.. *smiling and nodding as she speaks..* yes.. that's so important to consider, i think... there are those who follow the lure of BDSM purely to satisfy their sexual kinks... others.. like yourself.. i would like to say me too... crave the power, whether that is a priority need or the only need.. if i was going to have sex in a dynamic, my satisfaction would be wholly dependent on the fact that it is another means of control, another way to be used... it's never just sex.

Mon 10:39:37 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . absolutely, violet flame........

Mon 10:40:52 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . i think that given that a major part of BDSM practices involves setting, respecting, and pushing limits, having restriction on sexual activities does not detract from whether or not is is a powerful or effective BDSM experience.

there are certainly those that prefer its inclusion, but thats personal preference


speaking personally, if its a short term scene with someone i do not know well, i would not agree to sexual activities being a part of things, also being a wholly straight individual, were i to have a session with a Dom, i would not agree to sexual acts with One either, being a Hard limit for me.

when i was young i was molested, i wont go into the details as they arent germaine to the topic right now, but that history still makes me paranoid about sexual activities with males, especially Dominant ones, but there have been several offers of late of Doms wanting a play session with me, that i am open to and negotiating.

Those sessions will certianly be enjoyable and in no way depriving while still nonsexual

Mon 10:41:57 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *grins as heather reiterates my thoughts but makes them so much prettier.. nodding..* another category i would add, of people that enjoy BDSM without sex... friends... yes? on more than one occasion i have seen and participated in acts where the point was either to scratch some sort of itch or to explore or to help another scratch their itch... there is no sexual element, just a favour given or taken *smiles*

Mon 10:43:22 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . For me, BDSM is very sexual. It doesn't require a sexual act, or even direct genital stimulation. Doing BDSM turns me on, on several levels, not just sexual. I have orgasmed while belting someone with no other stimulation. So there is that. ~chuckle~

But it's the D/s side of things which can be entirely non-sexual for me. A great portion of the D/s in relationships I've had is about teaching, leading, guiding... the bulk of which are completely non-sexual pursuits.

That's the distinction for me.

Mon 10:44:16 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . personally I have experienced very little RT BD/SM but I believe what I did was very pleasurable, and sexual without being sex

Mon 10:44:54 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . thats very clear and helpful, Alexandra, thank you

Mon 10:44:58 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *listening to lapknight.. deeply appreciating his openness and bravery...* thank you so much for sharing with us, boy... it certainly adds perspective.. and just goes to show, again, that all the we see and practice, stems from a complex braid of experiences, needs and wants.. nothing is ever black and white, especially in our world...

Mon 10:51:30 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . So i think all here agree that BDSM can be perfectly fulfilling without outright sexual activity.

Mon 10:51:52 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *hearing Miss Alexandra.. nodding lots..* sexual arousal can come from all sorts of things, and can be.. taken care of.. in all sorts of different ways.. You say that BDSM is very sexual for you, does that extend to one you are with? is the arousal something you aim to have shared?

Mon 10:52:31 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . I should add (as sort of a caveat/disclaimer) that certain aspects of what is involved in D/s turns me on too. I am turned on by control under certain conditions, and D/s... leading/teaching/guiding/etc., require control.

So depending on the situation, pure D/s can be a direct turn-on as well. But in ways that are difficult to describe. Not completely (or even at all sometimes) on a sexual level.

One can be turned on purely cerebrally. It's sexual in some ways in how it feels, but not in other ways.

Mon 10:53:24 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . I'm not sure what you mean, ella. Could you clarify your question?

Mon 10:55:23 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . my experiences as a child did just the opposite, lapknight, in that I became a very open, very curious type of sexual person...for a very long time.. I was doing things that kids that age shouldn't even have an inkling of... and this went on through my mid-20s.. amazing how experiences like that effect each person..so differently.. each understandable.. I suppose that's why to this day I retain a 'young' piece of me..that only peeks out on occasion now and again..mostly around Daddy.. because He is who I trust..to understand it.. it's a piece..that I had to tuck away very early on in life..to keep safe...

Mon 10:56:00 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . Sorry..tired..slow posting..

Mon 10:56:25 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . i really would have liked to hear from someone that depended on sex to be completely satisfied in a BDSM setting.. but perhaps no one is... i remember in the early days of just conversating with Daddy without any sort of physical expression at all, we discussed something similar.. and He stated, "it brings me pleasure to give pain".. such a simple statement and yet it is big in it's meaning.. this makes me think it's worth saying, that the tone and expectations of a dynamic need to be discussed to the smallest detail of two are going to take it to the next level... BDSM and D/s are a part of all of us, and it's easy to assume that we all share the same pleasure or expectation of said pleasure's deliverance... it's not the case...

Mon 10:56:48 PM EDT May 23 sebby . . . reality is pulling me away...night A/all

Mon 10:58:08 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . thank you, heather, and i will admit that the experience certinaly has led me to have interest in certain deviant behaviors but thats another topic *chuckles*

Mon 10:58:20 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . I imagine that was a way for you to "own" or take control of what happened to you... by exploring the very things that first appeared in your life as abuse. Perhaps your instinct told you it shouldn't be that way and you sought to discover if that was true.

Mon 10:58:27 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . thank you for joining us sebby and for contributing

Mon 10:58:38 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . That was in response to heather's post. ~g~

Mon 10:59:52 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . In my beginning explorations of BDSM, it was indeed all sexual for me, ella. I mean... it was like foreplay... the lead up to sex. ~chuckle~

Mon 11:01:21 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . ~sl~ I got'ya, Snook...

maybe it was........or maybe it's just how I thought life was....that everyone had my life... it's actually not something I've really ever examined..too deeply.. more that I just try to..be good with who I am now.. ~thoughtful~ but that's definitely a talk for another time..~quirky smile~

Mon 11:02:46 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . thank you for your input tonight, sebby..
*hearing Miss Alexandra..* what i mean... or what i think i mean is... would an ideal submissive for you match your sexual reactions to certain BDSM or D/s behaviours? for example... You said that you orgasmed simply from a session of wielding a belt.. You also said that you can be aroused cerebrally, although the sexual blur of it varies... both these expressions don't involve what we would traditionally define as sex... would one have to be on the same wavelength to be in harmony with you, or do you think a dynamic can work even if T/two find their pleasures differently...? *thinking i might have just confused myself*

Mon 11:03:04 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . alright, heres a related question on the topic... is BDSM, in your opinions, more pure or better without outright sexual components

*knows that could be farily contriversial*

Mon 11:03:35 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . ooo, ella's question is better

Mon 11:06:45 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . That could be a very interesting topic, heather, and one that I'm sure many Castle chatters might be able to contribute to. ~g~

Not only the "being good with who you are now" but what it takes, what the benefits of that are... and how having the guidance and support of a dominant in your life who can be aware and capable of that can help.

I'd jot that one down. ~grin~

Mon 11:06:48 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . There is no 'better' or 'more pure' - there is only what is real and honest..for each person

as long as you're practicing with integrity..it's all good..

Mon 11:07:56 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . perfect response, heather, thank you

Mon 11:08:43 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . BDSM as foreplay to sex... that is very interesting...
*hearing lapknight's question..* i'm going to give a 'controversial' answer to your question.. in my opinion.. and only mine.. in this particular context.. i mean, here, vt... i feel that sex can actually cheapen an exchange... it's rare and only happens under particular circumstances, where i express myself blatantly sexually (in the traditional sense).. cybersex is grey for me.. but again, that's just me

Mon 11:10:01 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . *does actually jot down the potential topic mentioned before refocusing..*

Mon 11:10:54 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . Ah. ~nods to ella~

Not necessarily. I certainly want them to be enjoying themselves or "into it" as much as I am, but it's not necessary for me that they be affected sexually, unless that is a specific element of what I'm doing... then I'd make it happen. ~g~

But no... as long as they are into the session and enjoying it, I'm good even if they're not actually turned on.

The belting session... my guy was definitely NOT turned on. ~chuckle~ He was enduring. But our dynamic was unique, so I'll just leave it at that for the purposes of this topic.

So that is within a session. But in the overall relationship itself, I do think goals and expectations have to be mutual, yes.

Mon 11:13:31 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . ok, getting near to the end here, anyone have final points, thoughts, questions?

Mon 11:14:24 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . thank you for answering, Miss Alexandra, and for making me feel a little less jumbly with my words... i think that the contrasting effects (One finding pleasure, the other not) can add to an exchange..
*looking at the time..*
our official discussion time is almost up... *looking around for final inputs..*

Mon 11:17:20 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . That's it for me. ~s~ Thanks for another interesting session.

Mon 11:19:06 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . correct me if i m wrong, but the staff will be posting a banner to find hosts for next week, yes?

Mon 11:19:10 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . Oh..yes...good talk..*s*..I enjoyed it.......I must thank the rare nightcap coffee..that allowed me to stay up ~chuckles~

Mon 11:21:05 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . It will be submitted, but whether it is actually posted in time will be up to Admin. So planning another hosting would be recommended. If you want to do it, lap knight, with someone else, or ella and tzigane again, or whatever, is fine.

Mon 11:21:27 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . ~grins at heather~

Mon 11:22:21 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . ok so i think we've all given each other a lot to think about.. it's always good to question our own definitions of things and to try and understand every one else's impressions of the very same thing.. *smiles..* i think the only thing i would add is that sex is a big word and yeah, we all know what it is.. kind of.. *grins*.. but the beauty of our world is that anything, even the smallest thing.. can be just as big as sex... umm.. that's it for me too i think...

Mon 11:23:23 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . i cant, i doubt i will be here at all next monday, its Memorial Day Weekend

Mon 11:23:37 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . same i think for Tzigane

Mon 11:23:46 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . well said ella

Mon 11:23:57 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . lapknight, thank you so much for supporting me tonight at such short notice.. you were wonderful, really.. and if it's ok with Tzigane, i think you should definitely consider hosting next week.. *nods..*
thanks everyone for contributing! the time passed super quick for me.. *smiles* and i so appreciate learning from you all..

Mon 11:24:05 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . ~hears ella and adds one last thought~

When someone says "sex" my mind conjures an actual sexual act.

If they say "sexual" or "sexuality", that's different to to me. It's not necessarily about a direct sexual act like intercourse or oral sex.

Mon 11:24:59 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . Well, perhaps someone will do it earlier. Or since the majority of the chat population is American, perhaps it'll be a day off for Timeout as well. ~g~

Mon 11:25:37 PM EDT May 23 *lapknight* . . . my pleasure, ella, really, alright well be well all, this was a lovely night

Mon 11:25:42 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . thanks Miss Alexandra, i should have thought of that.. i'm the opposite.. when I think 'sex', it's an encompassment of all things, not just in the classic sense. perfect example of why clear communication is vital.

Mon 11:25:49 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . It's okay if there isn't a 'host' designated....maybe it would encourage a shyer person to jump in..and post a topic..and get something started..... *s*...and on a holiday..it may be pretty dead anyway..who knows..

Mon 11:26:31 PM EDT May 23 heather{JT} . . . Take care, lapknight, ella...good jobs......enjoy your nights..~ws~

Mon 11:27:07 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . heather i think that's a good thing to explore.. how to make 'hosting' more subtle so that it's easier for anyone to jump in, without pressure..

Mon 11:27:15 PM EDT May 23 Alexandra . . . Well play next week "by ear" then, as the saying goes. ~g~

Mon 11:28:21 PM EDT May 23 little ella . . . with that, i'll be off too.. thank you again everyone.. *smiles to all, and one for the spirit of Tzigane before skipping in back to the Dungeon...*

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